9/22 Brewers (Cravy) @ Cubs (Arrieta) 7:05 pm CSN+

[Guest]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

[ARCubsFan]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

Kershaw has been

[ScrubMD]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

Kershaw has been

 

We all know you'd give it to Lance Lynn.

[Sammys Boombox]

Remember almost exactly seven years ago when we came back from 4-0 bases empty with two outs in the ninth against Milwaukee

 

The game Soto tied with a 3 run hr? I was there!

 

I was too except I left with one out in the ninth to beat the crowd to the train. I finished watching it on tv.

 

I also left the cardinals game we came back from 8-0 in 03 right after jd drew hit the grand slam. Those are my two worst early departures.

 

I left last year's Royals/A's wild card game in the 8th. But that was because my wife went into labor.

[Careless]

Dating back to his start on June 21, he has made 18 starts, pitched 134 innings, given up 73 hits, 2 home runs, and has a 0.94 ERA over that period.

Put another way, he has a .94 ERA since spring

[Sammy Sofa]

Is there something about Arrieta in terms of delivery or age or something that makes Maddon not worried about having him go over 110+ pitches every start?

 

I guess so far we haven't seen any signs of the workload affecting him but I'm worried it will at the wrong time.

not that i'm defending the decision, but joe said he's the most well conditioned athlete he's ever been around. he really doesn't look like he ever labors and so i'm sure there is truth behind this mentality, but it doesn't seem like it's necessary.

 

Yeah but I'm not worried about him being gassed physically, I'm worried about his arm falling off. Can conditioning prevent that? (Serious question)

 

No, it can't.

 

Some guys can just pitch like this. Arrieta has shown nothing this season (or last season) to indicate his usage is problematic. The guy is rarely laboring when he's out there pitching; why are you so terrified he's going to break down?

[Sammy Sofa]

Dating back to his start on June 21, he has made 18 starts, pitched 134 innings, given up 73 hits, 2 home runs, and has a 0.94 ERA over that period.

Put another way, he has a .94 ERA since spring

 

That's what he...

 

Wha?

[SheffieldBoy]

Took this from the game tonight!

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Took this from the game tonight!

 

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Awesome.

[bukie]

[ctcf]

hahaha

[Brian]

[badger1679666666]

Heard that everyone was pouring water on him and Lester said the occasion demanded beer being poured on him. I love this team. :D

[Sammy Sofa]

I have absolutely zero doubt about the Cubs winning that WC playoff with him pitching. None.

[PrimeTime]

Warren the Flamingo is ready to ride us to the playoffs..Lets go!

 

[Guest]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

 

If you're voting Arrieta, you're basically saying it's because he has 20 wins (which Greinke could still get to). Greinke has a lower WHIP (0.85 to 0.90), lower ERA (1.65 to 1.88) and higher bWAR (8.7 to 7.4). Kershaw has a higher fWAR (7.8 to 6.2, though that's before tonight), strikes out way more 11.39 K/9 to 9.17), and has a better FIP (2.09 to 2.51). Both of the other two also walk fewer guys.

[RammyFanny]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

 

If you're voting Arrieta, you're basically saying it's because he has 20 wins (which Greinke could still get to). Greinke has a lower WHIP (0.85 to 0.90), lower ERA (1.65 to 1.88) and higher bWAR (8.7 to 7.4). Kershaw has a higher fWAR (7.8 to 6.2, though that's before tonight), strikes out way more 11.39 K/9 to 9.17), and has a better FIP (2.09 to 2.51). Both of the other two also walk fewer guys.

 

Yeah, it's tough to make a obvious case unless you go wins and narrative. Arrieta does have a pretty sizeable advantage in ERA+ though. But yeah, every argument for Arrieta over Greinke is an argument for Kershaw over Arrieta. Maybe try to convince people that his dominant stretch in the second half was when it matters more or something, but that's a road I usually don't go down. I guess for traditional voters, Arrieta might be able to edge Kershaw in IP and CG as well, but they are really close and there won't be any significant advantage there.

[Isaac Vines]

I don't understand how anyone could be better than Arrieta this year. But they'll give it to Greinke and his west coast lifestyle.

 

If you're voting Arrieta, you're basically saying it's because he has 20 wins (which Greinke could still get to). Greinke has a lower WHIP (0.85 to 0.90), lower ERA (1.65 to 1.88) and higher bWAR (8.7 to 7.4). Kershaw has a higher fWAR (7.8 to 6.2, though that's before tonight), strikes out way more 11.39 K/9 to 9.17), and has a better FIP (2.09 to 2.51). Both of the other two also walk fewer guys.

 

I think the main reason Arrieta is getting such attention for the Cy Young despite Kershaw and Greinke's numbers being better is the timing of his dominant run. Best era in a 10 game stretch since Bob Gibson. That being said, it is an award for the entire year and it's not like the other 2 have been off their game during that time either.

[Guest]

i'm hoping that kershaw and greinke end up splitting votes

[JonJayCutler]

 

Coghlan looks like a [expletive] woman surrounded by all that brawn.

[Brian]

Grienke or Kershaw gets the Cy Young

Arrieta gets the MVP

[UMFan83]

I was looking up the last time a starter with an ERA under 2 didn't win the Cy Young and damn, how did Clemens finish 3rd in 2005? 1.87 ERA in 211 innings. His FIP was a run higher but still led the league. He was worth 7.8 wins.

 

Carpenter won it with a 2.85 ERA and 2.90 FIP but was worth under 6 wins.

 

Oh here we go. Clemens was 13-8 and Carp won over 20 games. Sportswriters....

[Cubswin11]

I was looking up the last time a starter with an ERA under 2 didn't win the Cy Young and damn, how did Clemens finish 3rd in 2005? 1.87 ERA in 211 innings. His FIP was a run higher but still led the league. He was worth 7.8 wins.

 

Carpenter won it with a 2.85 ERA and 2.90 FIP but was worth under 6 wins.

 

Oh here we go. Clemens was 13-8 and Carp won over 20 games. Sportswriters....

Was that one of the years Clemens sat out the first month or whatever too?

[Guest]

omg look at this magnificent studly beast (just saw this in GRB's cubs hating thread)

 

[Ski]

Ugh, Jake should be able to afford better than Beats headphones.