2015 trading deadline

[Agony and Ivy]

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Cards still drunk after their party celebrating their $1B TV deal

 

Edit: but at least they didn't get behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle.

[Sammy Sofa]

I wouldn't say we're a top heavy system anymore. That went away once Addison was promoted and will surely go away once Schwarber isn't eligible. Still think they have a deep system but it's no longer top 10 in baseball due to all the promotions.

 

So what? So they rebuild it. We're looking at a team next year that is likely going to be anchored offensively by Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Schwarber, Soler and Baez next year. Why is such a problem if the farm system slips in the rankings temporarily because they bolstered the team by trading for an impact player or two?

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that the Cubs don't really have the prospects to compete with a deal like the Rangers for Hamels without decimating our system.

 

Again: so what? So the farm gets emptied some more temporarily for a fantastic pitcher to bolster a rotation that needs the help and who they have under control for years. Why is it critical they hold on to any of the players you listed?

 

Again, this isn't a vacuum. Would you rather add Hamels at the cost of Baez, Edwards and McKinney, or add Price for nothing but payroll?

 

Hamels, because he'd cost much less in terms of both years and money (I'd want a pitcher like that for multiple seasons, but at their ages not for what Price is going to command). I'm much more concerned about the money they have to work with than whether or not they can restock the farm yet again.

[UMFan83]

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He's having a terrible season. Will be interesting to see the angst from us if/when he goes on a tear with STL

[Banedon]

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What does Moss give them that Mark Reynolds doesn't?

[NonProfitCow]

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[expletive] terrible

 

gross

[Guest]

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What does Moss give them that Mark Reynolds doesn't?

 

Ability to hit RHP, and occasionally fill in in the OF

[toonsterwu]

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What does Moss give them that Mark Reynolds doesn't?

 

Simple answer is probably an OF option if necessary and a lefty bat

[sontensei]

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He's having a terrible season. Will be interesting to see the angst from us if/when he goes on a tear with STL

 

He just became a cardinal and you know how it goes he will prolly hit .280 with 15 bombs between now and october.

[MarkMero23]

Steamer projects him to have a 1.1 War the rest of the season and slug over 467. He's actually better against lefties than righties

 

 

Really bad trade though.

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[expletive] terrible

 

gross

 

Judging by the BP/PG prospect writer types who've seen him this season, it sounds like Kaminsky has really regressed this season.

[Andy]

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He's having a terrible season. Will be interesting to see the angst from us if/when he goes on a tear with STL

It's adorable that you included the 'if'.

[NonProfitCow]

Judging by the BP/PG prospect writer types who've seen him this season, it sounds like Kaminsky has really regressed this season.

Haven't gotten to watch him up close, but if he's regressed it hasn't shown in the numbers.

 

2014 A

IP 100.2

K/9 7.06

BB/9 2.77

HR/9 0.18

BABIP .239

ERA 1.88

FIP 3.28

 

2015 A+

IP - 94.2

K/9 7.51

BB/9 2.66

HR/9 0.00

BABIP .291

ERA 2.09

FIP 2.53

 

He's undersized, so maybe he's not holding his velocity deep into games or something. I really don't get it and absolutely hate this trade.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

[sontensei]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

[sneakypower]

They're not "hoarding" their prospects. The majority of their top prospects from a year ago are currently either in the majors or on the verge of being there and the well is kind of dry right now. They have a nice system but they weren't going to beat the Rangers in a Hamels deal with anyone we wouldn't have regretted giving up.

 

The well isn't dry at all; that's nonsense. And there's always the risk of ultimately regretting giving up a prospect. That's not a definitive reason in and of itself to not make moves to help the team right way.

The Rangers gave up their 4th, 5th, 6th, 17th, 29th prospects and Matt Harrison for Cole Hamels. That's like the Cubs giving up Carl Edwards Jr, Duane Underwood, Albert Almora, Jen Ho Tseng, Jeremy Null, and Clayton Richard on a bigger salary for Hamels. No thanks.

this is a pretty poor comparison since Texas (pre-trade) had a reasonably superior farm system

 

in all honesty, the closest parallel i can come up with is something like

 

Williams = Baez

Alfaro = Contreras

Thompson = McKinney

Harrison = Travis Wood...or Castro?

and then sure, Tseng and a nobody like Null would fit

 

yeah, i'm gonna be a terrible, Theo/PTR-brainwashed fan and say no way in hell do i remotely consider meeting that price for the luxury of paying Cole Hamels market value for 3-4 years

[KingCubsFan]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

[sontensei]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

Could be the tigers putting up a smoke screen to get one of the other teams to offer a top guy

[nolanwood]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

That asking price is nuts for a 2 month rental of David Price.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

Could be the tigers putting up a smoke screen to get one of the other teams to offer a top guy

 

Or "MLB Executives" could simply be a handful of low levels he has on his friend list, for the purposes of spinning smoke into a blazing inferno,

[sneakypower]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

That asking price is nuts for a 2 month rental of David Price.

*3 month rental

[UMFan83]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

That asking price is nuts for a 2 month rental of David Price.

 

I'm assuming they wouldnt agree to that price unless they agreed to an extension with him before the deal is made

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[nolanwood]

Bob Nightengale ✔@BNightengale

MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if the dodgers give him his 200 million before the offseason either.

There's absolutely no way that Friedman gives up Urias.

 

That asking price is nuts for a 2 month rental of David Price.

*3 month rental

 

August + September = TWO months. They haven't clinched anything and the Giants are .5 game back which could potentially leave them battling for the second Wild Card spot.

[sneakypower]

That asking price is nuts for a 2 month rental of David Price.

*3 month rental

 

August + September = TWO months. They haven't clinched anything and the Giants are .5 game back which could potentially leave them battling for the second Wild Card spot.

they're currently 91% to make it, not factoring adding Alex Wood and Mat Latos and David Price to their rotation and subtracting [file not found]

[Tryptamine]

You'd think DeLeon and Cotton would get the deal done easily, I see no reason to give up Urias. The only way the Blue Jays could top that the duo would be with something like Norris and Pentecost. Any of those packages is frankly crazy for a couple months of Price.