Bulls Offseason Thread

[MarkR]

After a dreadful game closing out their season, the Bulls face significant decisions that will have to be addressed

 

-Thibs sticking around?

-Butler's pending contract extension

-Which core pieces from this team will be gone?

 

 

Lots to digest after an embarrassing effort to close the playoffs

[UMFan83]

After a dreadful game closing out their season, the Bulls face significant decisions that will have to be addressed

 

-Thibs sticking around?

-Butler's pending contract extension

-Which core pieces from this team will be gone?

 

Lots to digest after an embarrassing effort to close the playoffs

 

2 of your significant decisions listed are not decisions at all. They've already been made. Thibs won't be back and Jimmy will.

[Andy]

Without any real knowledge of how NBA cap stuff works, I'd be surprised if anyone important left the Bulls this off-season.

[rawaction]

Without any real knowledge of how NBA cap stuff works, I'd be surprised if anyone important left the Bulls this off-season.

 

Dunleavy? He's a free agent, who I don't see being brought back.

[UMFan83]

Without any real knowledge of how NBA cap stuff works, I'd be surprised if anyone important left the Bulls this off-season.

 

Dunleavy? He's a free agent, who I don't see being brought back.

 

Yeah in that Lowe article he pointed out that if/when the Bulls sign Butler to a max they will be 1.6m under the tax without accounting for Dunleavy or an Aaron Brooks replacement. I guess it's possible they would go over the tax simply because they won't have to pay Boozer $15 mil not to play for them this year but you also want to be careful any time you go over the tax due to the potential of repeater penalties down the road. Basically is it worth going over the tax to bring back the same team swapping out Brooks for a more consistent backup PG?

 

I think it's more likely they trade Taj or Noah and either resign Dunleavy or use the full MLE for a more athletic wing.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Here are the things that will happen this offseason:

 

*Thibs is gone; possibly replaced by Alvin Gentry

*Butler signed to max deal

*Dunleavy walks away, and hopefully McDermott fills his roll nicely.

*Hinrich will pick up his player option

*We'll fill out the end of the bench with a couple cheap guys... not sure if Aaron Brooks will be one of them... I'm guessing someone might offer him a deal like what happened with DJ Augustin

 

So, basically... we are going to have the same squad except with a different coach and a couple minor tweaks. I would say it MIGHT be possible that Noah gets traded at some point before his deal is up, but we'll see.

[ChiCubsFan]

What is Noah's trade value at this point? He only has one year left on his deal and there's a chance he could come back healthier and better after an offseason of rest. And perhaps our new coach will use his appropriately as a backup center. I think I'd rather keep him and let him expire and sign someone worthwhile when the cap explodes in a year.

[Cubbie Swagger]

What is Noah's trade value at this point?

That's a good question.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think Taj is the much more valuable trade chip. As much as I like the guy, he's going to cost too much to bring back and he's about to turn 30 himself. It's that I wouldn't mind moving Noah, but between his breaking down body and his offensive slide this year I don't think he's going to bring much back as a main piece.

[Guest]

I think Taj is the much more valuable trade chip. As much as I like the guy, he's going to cost too much to bring back and he's about to turn 30 himself. It's that I wouldn't mind moving Noah, but between his breaking down body and his offensive slide this year I don't think he's going to bring much back as a main piece.

It sounds like he has more value as an expiring now than as a player, which is pretty sad from where he was just a year ago.

 

They have to be open to anything, but Taj for a big wing piece and hoping Noah isn't actually done may be the way to go. Start drafting them bigs though.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think Taj is the much more valuable trade chip. As much as I like the guy, he's going to cost too much to bring back and he's about to turn 30 himself. It's that I wouldn't mind moving Noah, but between his breaking down body and his offensive slide this year I don't think he's going to bring much back as a main piece.

It sounds like he has more value as an expiring now than as a player, which is pretty sad from where he was just a year ago.

 

They have to be open to anything, but Taj for a big wing piece and hoping Noah isn't actually done may be the way to go. Start drafting them bugs though.

 

I think the latter makes the most sense; despite his issues scoring, Noah's still pretty valuable defensively. It's not like they have to rely on him for their offensive schemes, so it shouldn't be a lost cause if they have to ride out his deal.

[rawaction]

I probably would have traded Taj for a wing this year. But I understand wanting to see what they had in Mirotic first. Frankly, this isn't a big man's game anymore. Having a great front court hasn't helped the Bulls win anything. I think Gasol, Noah, Mirotic and a rookie is enough up front. Hell, the Cavs beat the Bulls with just 2 bigs playing, only 1 at a time for the most part, and all they did was offensive rebound. The Bulls have needed another guy to create his shot and hit open shots for years.

[Derwood]

This off season is going to be crazy boring

[Flames24Rulz]

This off season is going to be crazy boring

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/bernstein-derrick-rosejimmy-butler-tension-marred-game-6/

 

Although, I would consider this with a grain of salt seeing how it's Bernstein citing his imaginary sources yet again.

[Guest]

This off season is going to be crazy boring

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/bernstein-derrick-rosejimmy-butler-tension-marred-game-6/

 

Although, I would consider this with a grain of salt seeing how it's Bernstein citing his imaginary sources yet again.

The source may be bs, but it would not surprise me to see the FO go with a very "people person" coach for the job. Contrasted with Thibs tough demeanor and elite basketball mind.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Taj is signed for a couple more years at a reasonable salary, so I see no reason to trade him now. I don't think the return would be worth what he brings to our team.

 

Noah, however, could potentially bring more in a trade than he is worth to us. He's been an all-star, defensive player of the year, etc. and is currently pretty much taking up space on the court.

[RynoRules]

Taj is signed for a couple more years at a reasonable salary, so I see no reason to trade him now. I don't think the return would be worth what he brings to our team.

 

Noah, however, could potentially bring more in a trade than he is worth to us. He's been an all-star, defensive player of the year, etc. and is currently pretty much taking up space on the court.

 

That's more than a little hyperbolic.

 

Taj's PER was 16.1; Noah's was 15.3. Jo's shooting dipped, but his rebounding remains solid and is better than Taj's (17.1% to 12.7%; Nikola had a higher rebounding % than Taj as well). Noah also remains an excellent ball handler and distributor (23% assist percentage; Taj's isn't even worth noting) and a good defender (3.1 DWS to Taj's 2.1). Taj's OWS was 2.7 to Noah's 2.4.

 

Both were banged up much of the season; they are the same age. Assuming they recover their health by resting and rehabbing during the offseason they can still be important pieces of the team next season. That said, Nikola probably needs to get more minutes and he isn't a good enough defender to play against SF's (his defense against PF's is only slightly better). Taj is the more likely trade candidate as such, IMO.

 

Where should we look to deal him? A guy like Taj is probably best suited for a team on the cusp of something special and/or that already has serious scoring up front. He can concentrate on defense and rebounding, especially on the offensive end, which will loosen things up considerably for whoever the stud big man is. A few teams that come to mind: New Orleans (Davis), Sacramento (Cousins), and the Lakers (they are getting either Townes or Okafor and already have Randle; add Taj and you have a very good big man rotation, plus a veteran to tutor the young guys).

[RynoRules]

This off season is going to be crazy boring

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/bernstein-derrick-rosejimmy-butler-tension-marred-game-6/

 

Although, I would consider this with a grain of salt seeing how it's Bernstein citing his imaginary sources yet again.

The source may be bs, but it would not surprise me to see the FO go with a very "people person" coach for the job. Contrasted with Thibs tough demeanor and elite basketball mind.

 

That can work if the assistants are very good. See: Jackson, Phil (Bach-Winter-Cleamons); Rivers, Doc (Thibs-Ray-Eastman-Hill).

[Guest]

This off season is going to be crazy boring

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/bernstein-derrick-rosejimmy-butler-tension-marred-game-6/

 

Although, I would consider this with a grain of salt seeing how it's Bernstein citing his imaginary sources yet again.

The source may be bs, but it would not surprise me to see the FO go with a very "people person" coach for the job. Contrasted with Thibs tough demeanor and elite basketball mind.

 

That can work if the assistants are very good. See: Jackson, Phil (Bach-Winter-Cleamons); Rivers, Doc (Thibs-Ray-Eastman-Hill).

Yea that's what I'm thinking they'll go for.

[cubbyvirus00]

Noah wouldn't pass a physical. I'd love for him to be moved, but when you have to preface it with 'he's taking up space on the court,' every other NBA team likely views him the same way.

[Sammy Sofa]

But he's not just taking up space on the court, as was made abundantly clear just a wee bit above your post. Fortunately teams don't dictate their trades based on what one guy incorrectly said on a Cubs message board.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is it weird that I'm disappointed that I haven't heard any morons talking about draft lottery conspiracies with the Lakers grabbing the #2 pick?

 

Sure it was a 12.6% chance of happening, and sure it was at the expense of the New York Knicks, and sure the freakin Timberwolves took the #1 spot. But come on, can't some moron make a fool of himself?

[Guest]

Is it weird that I'm disappointed that I haven't heard any morons talking about draft lottery conspiracies with the Lakers grabbing the #2 pick?

 

Sure it was a 12.6% chance of happening, and sure it was at the expense of the New York Knicks, and sure the freakin Timberwolves took the #1 spot. But come on, can't some moron make a fool of himself?

 

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[Flames24Rulz]

Is it weird that I'm disappointed that I haven't heard any morons talking about draft lottery conspiracies with the Lakers grabbing the #2 pick?

 

Sure it was a 12.6% chance of happening, and sure it was at the expense of the New York Knicks, and sure the freakin Timberwolves took the #1 spot. But come on, can't some moron make a fool of himself?

 

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oh my god.

[Splendid Splinter]

I thought for sure they would end up with #1.