2015 NSBB Top Prospect List Discussion thread

[Tim]

Let's get this party started!

[Guest]

Last Year's List:

 

1. Javier Baez

2. Kris Bryant

3. Albert Almora

4. Jorge Soler

5. CJ Edwards

6. Arismendy Alcantara

7. Pierce Johnson

8. Daniel Vogelbach

9. Christian Villanueva

10. Jeimer Candelario

11. Mike Olt

12. Kyle Hendricks

13. Arodys Vizcaino

14. Paul Blackburn

15. Rob Zastryzny

16. Corey Black

17. Neil Ramirez

18. Eloy Jimenez

19. Josh Vitters

20. Ivan Pineyro

21. Armando Rivero

22. Dillon Maples

23. Duane Underwood

24. Willson Contreras

25. Tyler Skulina

26. Gleyber Torres

27. Shawon Dunston Jr

28. Jacob Hannemann

29. Jen-Ho Tseng

30. Juan Paniagua

31. Zac Rosscup

32. Stephen Bruno

33. Alberto Cabrera

34. Erick Leal

35. Gioskar Amaya

36. Daury Torrez

37. Matt Szczur

38. Ben Wells

39. Scott Frazier

40. Dustin Geiger

41. Eric Jokisch

42. Jose Arias

43. Yasiel Balaguert

44. Carlos Penalver

45. Jefferson Mejia

46. Jose Paulino

47. Marco Hernandez

48. Trey Masek

49. Brett Jackson

50. Trevor Clifton

[Guest]

Here's who I come up with as the eligible players. Please correct me if I'm missing anyone interesting. I used the currently posted rosters of all affiliates in the states to generate the list.

 

Pitchers:

 

Dallas Beeler

Drake Britton

C.J. Edwards

Eric Jokisch

Jeffry Antigua

Daniel Bard

Francisley Bueno

Anthony Carter

Jorge De Leon

Gonzalez Germen

Lars Huijer

Barret Loux

Trey McNutt

Yoanner Negrin

Carlos Pimentel

Armando Rivero

Donn Roach

Andres Santiago

Frank Batista

Corey Black

Matt Brazis

Zach Cates

Hunter Cervenka

Blake Cooper

P.J. Francescon

Pierce Johnson

Matt Loosen

Jeff Lorick

Felix Pena

Ivan Pineyro

Tony Zych

Justin Amlung

Marcelo Carreno

Gerardo Concepcion

Michael Jensen

Austin Kirk

Juan Paniagua

Stephen Perakslis

Starling Peralta

Anthony Prieto

Austin Reed

Jose Rosario

Tayler Scott

Tyler Skulina

Rob Zastryzny

Paul Blackburn

Francisco Carrillo

Scott Frazier

David Garner

Michael Heesch

Tyler Ihrig

Jonathan Martinez

Trey Masek

James Pugliese

Jasvir Rakkar

Brad Renner

Daury Torrez

Jen-Ho Tseng

Duane Underwood

Michael Wagner

Ben Wells

Jose Zapata

Trevor Clifton

Joshua Conway

James Farris

Trevor Graham

Corbin Hoffner

Trey Lang

Erick Leal

Daniel Lewis

Dillon Maples

Brad Markey

Ryan McNeil

Yomar Morel

James Norwood

Jeremy Null

Jake Stinnett

Tommy Thorpe

Ryan Williams

Sam Wilson

Adbert Alzolay

Pedro Araujo

Jordan Brink

Jesus Camargo

Jesus Castillo

Andin Diaz

Greyfer Eregua

Tanner Griggs

Zach Hedges

Luis Hernandez

Michael Knighton

Jordan Minch

Jose Paulino

Hector Perez

Carson Sands

Alex Santana

Justin Steele

Austyn Willis

 

 

 

Catchers:

 

Rafael Lopez

Taylor Davis

Kyle Schwarber

Ben Carhart

Willson Contreras

Cael Brockmeyer

Victor Caratini

Will Remillard

Mark Zagunis

Mark Malave

Justin Marra

Erick Castillo

Tyler Pearson

 

 

Infielders:

 

Christian Villanueva

David Bote

Kris Bryant

Andrew Ely

Elliot Soto

Logan Watkins

Stephen Bruno

Dustin Geiger

Addison Russell

Gioskar Amaya

Wes Darvill

Jordan Hankins

Dan Vogelbach

Tyler Alamo

Jeimer Candelario

Danny Lockhart

Carlos Penalver

Jacob Rogers

Chesny Young

Danny Canela

Bryant Flete

Jesse Hodges

Alex Tomasovich

Gleyber Torres

Jason Vosler

Roney Alcala

Varonex Cuevas

Joe Martarano

Alberto Mineo

Adonis Paula

Ho-young Son

 

 

Outfielders:

 

Jorge Soler

Matt Szczur

Jae-Hoon Ha

Jonathan Mota

Ariel Ovando

Albert Almora

John Andreoli

Pin-Chieh Chen

Anthony Giansanti

Rubi Silva

Kevin Encarnacion

Jacob Hannemann

Billy McKinney

Bijan Rademacher

Jeffrey Baez

Yasiel Balaguert

Shawon Dunston

Trey Martin

Kevin Brown

Charcer Burks

Rashad Crawford

Charles White

Calvin Graves

Eloy Jimenez

Ricardo Marcano

Kevonte Mitchell

Shamil Ubiera

[SouthSideRyan]

Missed Soler

[Guest]

Here's what I'm thinking for the process this year:

 

1) Quick set of nominations for the next prospect to be listed

2) One of us creates a poll to allow voting

3) once the voting either provides a clear winner or voting slows down sufficiently, we declare a winner and repeat

 

Personally, I like the idea of allowing three votes at a time as we did last year, but I'm open to making it a single vote at a time.

[Guest]

Missed Soler

8-[ uh...no I didn't!

[Guest]

I think the nominees for #1 are pretty obvious:

 

Bryant

Russell

Soler

Schwarber

Edwards

Almora

Underwood

Johnson

Vogelbach

McKinney

Torres

 

If anyone wants someone else added to the first poll, speak up now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Vogelbach is getting nominated for #1?

 

Why?

[davell]

Vogelbach is getting nominated for #1?

 

Why?

 

Looks like he took everyone off Kiley's top 200.

[Guest]

Vogelbach is getting nominated for #1?

 

Why?

Just being comprehensive and putting everyone in Kiley's top 200 prospects there. It costs nothing and he just won't get a vote (unless done sarcastically).

 

Realistically, only the top 4 need to be there.

[wvcbxl]

Here's who I come up with as the eligible players. Please correct me if I'm missing anyone interesting.

 

Not sure if he's interesting enough, but Lars Huijer (the player the Cubs got in a trade for Mike Kickham) is missing from the pitcher list.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure this vote will come down to Schwarber and Schwarber.

 

After this vote, the number of names on the list will be reasonably low. Does anyone want to make the case that someone else should be added to the list for the vote at #5?

[toonsterwu]

By no means am I saying I would vote for him at 5, but looking at the list of names left after Schwarber, I'd argue that Victor Caratini could be in the mix for discussion purposes. Stinnett is a fascinating arm and reminds me a bit of the 08 draft - athletic college arm that might still have a tiny bit of potential to add more (rather than "just refining") since he's relatively raw to full-time pitching. I mean, there's a case that, much as I like Pierce Johnson, that there's enough known about his limitations that Stinnett's unknown aspect might be tempting enough to jump him.

 

Back to Caratini a moment - I recall, before the trade, he had splits that indicated that he hit for some power away from uh, what was the Braves affiliate last year, Rome?, and if I recall correctly, Rome limited HR's a bit (looking at the slash line away while with the Braves, it was .279/.367/.455 in 154 AB's). Pre-draft reports suggested there was some pop. By no means am I saying he has plus power, but if he can develop, say, 10-15 HR pop, he could be interesting if the contact ability is still solid and he improves behind the plate). The reports seem really negative on his power, and I'm just a bit curious if he can tap into a bit more. There's enough of a jam in that 7-14 area that I really wouldn't have a problem arguing for him in the 7-10 range.

 

You know, thinking about his offensive profile right now, he mildly (again, mildly) reminds me of one of our two final draft and follows in Jovan Rosa. I kept hoping Rosa might be able to get a bit more loft, and it never really happened, but I remember being utterly fascinated with Jovan Rosa in Low A after he hit 40+ doubles and 7 HR's. I say this to acknowledge that I can certainly see a situation where Caratini's bat just ... stays there (although unlike Rosa, he seems to have enough skills behind the plate to move forward at least another level or two, and he has better contact skills/better approach than Rosa had). Anyhow, this is a total tangent.

[Guest]

I honestly don't know which direction I want to go in for the #5 prospect.

 

Torres: If we weren't completely lousy with shortstops in this organization, we'd be thrilled about him as the ss of the future. It really isn't common for 17 year old dominicans to come to the states and do what he did in his first year stateside. On top of everything, I was really impressed with his approach at the plate. He has a very clear idea of the zone and what he wants to do in each at bat.

 

Edwards: Can he stay healthy? Can he pitch 200IP in a year? It would be phenomenal to see him as the fifth starter in a playoff race this summer/fall.

 

Actually, as I'm going through the next set of candidates (Almora, Underwood, Johnson, McKinney, Almora, Jimenez, Caratini, Stinnett), I just can't see myself putting anyone over these two guys.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

torres is a cinch #5 to me.

[sneakypower]

i can't vote on mobile, but i go McKinney here; almost crafted an argument for him over Schwarbs

[Guest]

i can't vote on mobile, but i go McKinney here; almost crafted an argument for him over Schwarbs

You're in luck - we're not actually voting on #5 yet.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Edwards: Can he stay healthy? Can he pitch 200IP in a year? It would be phenomenal to see him as the fifth starter in a playoff race this summer/fall.

 

In our lust for our drafted/signed prospects to pan out, our traded for prospects get overlooked a bit. How awesome would your scenario above be if working in conjunction with Hendricks succeeding in the 4 spot?

 

Cashner>RIZZO

Feldman>ARRIETA

Dempster>HENDRICKS

Garza>EDWARDS

 

To have those guys contribute along with the signed guys (SOLER), the drafted (BRYANT), inherited (CASTRO, ALCANTARA) and major league additions (LESTER, FOWLER, HAMMEL, MONTERO).... what a job by Theo and his team. Now DO AWESOME!!

[Guest]

Who should go on the list next? I've heard Zagunis and Torrez. Anyone else?

[Warpticon]

I have no suggestions there, just pointing out that it's Candelario.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Who should go on the list next? I've heard Zagunis and Torrez. Anyone else?

Jacob Hannemann, Rob Zastryzny, Trevor Clifton, Stephen Bruno, Jeffrey Baez, Ivan Pineyro, Jonathan Martinez, Juan Paniagua.

 

Deep cuts: James Norwood, Justin Marra, Kevonte Mitchell, Tyler Skulina

[Guest]

Guys to put on the list next:

 

Erick Leal

James Norwood

Dillon Maples

Juan Paniagua

Willson Contreras

Matt Szczur

Ho-Young Son

Keyvonte Mitchell

Shawon Dunston, Jr

Trey Martin

Carlos Penalver

Gioskar Amaya

Starling Peralta

Trevor Clifton

Daniel Lewis

 

Who else should make the list to vote upon eventually?