2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Banedon]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

I'm totally clueless on your point.

 

Everything that's been reported is that Emery had to go to Phillips for approval on transactions. But even if that's not true...we know that Pace doesn't now, which is the important thing. If Phillips has no role here other than hiring Pace, what's the concern?

[RynoRules]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

Well I'm sure he'll have some influence, even Pace said he'd look for guidance on certain things, but to me you are overstating any change in Phillips role.

 

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[Banedon]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

Well I'm sure he'll have some influence, even Pace said he'd look for guidance on certain things, but to me you are overstating any change in Phillips role.

 

Of course Pace said that. He's going to listen to people...good management does. But Pace has the final decision on the football operations. This isn't difficult.

 

You have a weird thing about Phillips. Seriously.

[RynoRules]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

Well I'm sure he'll have some influence, even Pace said he'd look for guidance on certain things, but to me you are overstating any change in Phillips role.

 

Of course Pace said that. He's going to listen to people...good management does. But Pace has the final decision on the football operations. This isn't difficult.

 

You have a weird thing about Phillips. Seriously.

 

Theory No. 1: Phillips used to manage WF22's pension, and it dropped 10% of its value during his tenure.

[Guest]

Seriously show me where Emeru or Angelo actually went through Phillips on decisions. The only example I can think of is that Phillips approved increasing the payroll so they could add scouts and an analytics dept. Does Pace have added authority on the budget?

[Banedon]

Seriously show me where Emeru or Angelo actually went through Phillips on decisions. The only example I can think of is that Phillips approved increasing the payroll so they could add scouts and an analytics dept. Does Pace have added authority on the budget?

 

You're arguing this backwards. What does it matter if Emery or Angelo had to go through Phillips? We KNOW that Pace doesn't! Which is the way it should be! You're arguing a very strange irrelevant point.

[Guest]

I think you'd have to prove Emery or Angelo had to go through Phillips since that would not be the norm in sports franchises.

[Splendid Splinter]

 

 

 

And I'm done with this discussion as you're the only one who can't understand the difference now.

[Banedon]

I think you'd have to prove Emery or Angelo had to go through Phillips since that would not be the norm in sports franchises.

 

You're arguing that Phillips never had anything to do with football operations. Your argument is that Phillips is meaningless and always has been. So why do you give a flying [expletive] about Phillips at all?

[Guest]

Philips has been the president for about 16 years and his power hasn't changed in that time. I'm not happy with the entirety of that 16 years, but more so the past 6-7. I'll leave that as my final point as well and be done with it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

I'm totally clueless on your point.

 

Everything that's been reported is that Emery had to go to Phillips for approval on transactions. But even if that's not true...we know that Pace doesn't now, which is the important thing. If Phillips has no role here other than hiring Pace, what's the concern?

What's that now? What report ever said that? I heard no such thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

 

And I'm done with this discussion as you're the only one who can't understand the difference now.

There's no difference now. Somebody just had a weird hang up about Ted.

[Banedon]

Philips has been the president for about 16 years and his power hasn't changed in that time. I'm not happy with the entirety of that 16 years, but more so the past 6-7. I'll leave that as my final point as well and be done with it.

 

It's a terrible final point.

[Banedon]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

I'm totally clueless on your point.

 

Everything that's been reported is that Emery had to go to Phillips for approval on transactions. But even if that's not true...we know that Pace doesn't now, which is the important thing. If Phillips has no role here other than hiring Pace, what's the concern?

What's that now? What report ever said that? I heard no such thing.

 

It's always been a question on exactly what Phillips role was. There's been reports here and there (mostly radio guys, like B&B) that Phillips had some kind of final authority on transactions. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't...ultimately, it doesn't matter...because we know he doesn't now according to everything that was said today.

[UK1679666180]

My previous wish to have the Theo type was to prevent Phillips from continuing to have some say over football operations.

 

I'm pleased with these results with Pace having full control.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

[UK1679666180]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

 

I would not be a fan of that move.

 

If it's anything like san Francisco, it would regress Cutler and Forte.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

 

I would not be a fan of that move.

 

If it's anything like san Francisco, it would regress Cutler and Forte.

 

How so

[Banedon]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

 

Well the Bills have (or will) interview Greg Roman for the HC job there, so it may not be an option.

[Guest]

It's always been a question on exactly what Phillips role was. There's been reports here and there (mostly radio guys, like B&B)

Without rehashing the entire conversation I'm surprised this is a question, even in the slightest, among not meatbally fans.

[Guest]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

 

I would not be a fan of that move.

 

If it's anything like san Francisco, it would regress Cutler and Forte.

 

How so

Wasn't Roman mentioned as a possible Harbaugh replacement at one point? There must be something there. I don't know anything about his background though.

[Outshined_One]

The last three pages of this thread played out like BnB today, minus BnB going completely ape [expletive] at one point.

 

Ted Phillips is not the new Michael McCaskey. Stop it with the paranoid ramblings.

[Guest]

Your argument is that Phillips is meaningless and always has been. So why do you give a flying [expletive] about Phillips at all?

Never quite said meaningless. I do find the hiring, evaluating, retaining, and extending of a GM a pretty big responsibility.

[Banedon]

Your argument is that Phillips is meaningless and always has been. So why do you give a flying [expletive] about Phillips at all?

Never quite said meaningless. I do find the hiring, evaluating, retaining, and extending of a GM a pretty big responsibility.

 

Which is why Accorsi was hired. McCaskey didn't trust Phillips to do it on his own.

[UK1679666180]

Been thinking about this, and given that Pace is apparently better at finding offensive talent (and that is where the strength of our roster presently lies), I'm not sure I hate the idea of bringing in Bowles to fix the defense with scheme (as well as obviously some input in personnel). At least, as long as the OC isn't a complete moron. Bowles has gotten a lot of credit for the AZ defense performing even when losing guys to injury and such.

On the drive home today I was listening to local Arizona sports radio. Mike Jurecki, who is probably the main Cardinals insider said that he has heard that if Bowles gets a HC job, he will most likely be bringing Greg Roman on as his offensive coordinator.

 

I would not be a fan of that move.

 

If it's anything like san Francisco, it would regress Cutler and Forte.

 

How so

 

Runs the power running game, horrible in game play caller, changed their offensive style to 3 WR sets and shorter passes which killed the offense and Kaps production. He's not a QB that throws to a spot before the WR breaks him route which Cutler struggles with.

 

Look at their regression, Forte at this stage can not handle the load Gore in that style of offense.

Edited January 10, 2015 by UK