2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Wilson A2000]

Bernstein and Hub said the Bears were open to hiring a coach before a GM? Why? They hired Trestman, but then said you must hire these assistants. You are going to trim your GM possibilities if you hire the coach first. I understand you don't want good coaches to get hired before you have the chance to get them, but I still don't like that idea.

[UK1679666180]

It's not too difficult to grasp that I want someone between Phillips and the GM. Accorsi doesn't fill that void in my opinion.

 

Why does that hierarchy issue matter to you? As long as Phillips isn't actually the GM's "boss," I don't see any reason to care about whether there's a guy called the president of football operations above the GM or not.

 

Phillips is still the GMs boss though. Accorsi will make recommendations but the final decision goes through Phillips and mccaskey.

 

I don't see how anyone can be content with the current state.

[Banedon]

Lots of twitter speculation that Marc Ross is who the Bears will hire as GM because of his ties to Accorsi

[KingCubsFan]

It's not too difficult to grasp that I want someone between Phillips and the GM. Accorsi doesn't fill that void in my opinion.

 

Why does that hierarchy issue matter to you? As long as Phillips isn't actually the GM's "boss," I don't see any reason to care about whether there's a guy called the president of football operations above the GM or not.

Right. People get too hung up on the "president" title, and sports radio was talking at length today how Phillips needed the "Crane Kenney" treatment. Doesn't everybody realize that Theo only got a president title to get him away from Boston, and Jed is a highly-paid assistant GM?

[Guest]

It's not too difficult to grasp that I want someone between Phillips and the GM. Accorsi doesn't fill that void in my opinion.

 

Why does that hierarchy issue matter to you? As long as Phillips isn't actually the GM's "boss," I don't see any reason to care about whether there's a guy called the president of football operations above the GM or not.

Right. People get too hung up on the "president" title, and sports radio was talking at length today how Phillips needed the "Crane Kenney" treatment. Doesn't everybody realize that Theo only got a president title to get him away from Boston, and Jed is a highly-paid assistant GM?

Right. If that's what comes to pass I don't think anyone will be concerned with our direction with Phillips still around. The worry would be a less competent "GM" than Theo still being evaluated by a seemingly clueless Phillips.

[Guest]

Lots of twitter speculation that Marc Ross is who the Bears will hire as GM because of his ties to Accorsi

Didn't we interview Ross last time? Hoping Accorsi is gonna be more than a highly paid letter of recommendation.

[RynoRules]

Lots of twitter speculation that Marc Ross is who the Bears will hire as GM because of his ties to Accorsi

Didn't we interview Ross last time? Hoping Accorsi is gonna be more than a highly paid letter of recommendation.

 

Ross would be a nice get, IMO.

[Guest]

Lots of twitter speculation that Marc Ross is who the Bears will hire as GM because of his ties to Accorsi

Didn't we interview Ross last time? Hoping Accorsi is gonna be more than a highly paid letter of recommendation.

 

Ross would be a nice get, IMO.

Who we shouldn't need Accorsi to hire.

 

Ross will wash out too and then Phillips will be on the next hire except this time we'll get an entire consulting team to hire a college scouting director/ director of player personnel whatever. Because clearly it was the hiring process that was wrong again.

[gscool89]

Brandon Marshall is an idiot

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/29/7464141/brandon-marshall-radio-interview-chicago-bears-firings#ooid=NmOTNqcjprmmZW3_dm8hCkL_Mudr18iu

[Guest]

Lots of twitter speculation that Marc Ross is who the Bears will hire as GM because of his ties to Accorsi

Should have hired him last time.

[Wilson A2000]

A caller on the Score said that Jay is unhappy because he's playing out of position and was a WR in high school. Then he asked if Rodgers was available in a trade.

[Guest]

I'd rather whoever is consulting that they have had a prominent role in football within the last 8 years.

 

Maybe you should listen to the press conference before spouting off nonsense. Accorsi is part of an NFL committee that manages/compiles the pool of candidates for GM and coaching jobs.

 

He's part of it but only Accorsi has been hired as a consultant specifically by the Bears. That's great he's in that role but I want a further separation.

 

I want that person to have a long term vision.

 

Accorsi has no long term vision with long term accountability.

 

Who do you want to hire the person with the long term vision and long term accountability?

[Guest]

I'd rather whoever is consulting that they have had a prominent role in football within the last 8 years.

 

Maybe you should listen to the press conference before spouting off nonsense. Accorsi is part of an NFL committee that manages/compiles the pool of candidates for GM and coaching jobs.

 

He's part of it but only Accorsi has been hired as a consultant specifically by the Bears. That's great he's in that role but I want a further separation.

 

I want that person to have a long term vision.

 

Accorsi has no long term vision with long term accountability.

 

Who do you want to hire the person with the long term vision and long term accountability?

Someone with some positive experience with long term vision and building.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yea this isn't quite what I was hoping to hear, though maybe they'll still push Phillips to the side.

 

I'm not hung up on the Philips situation and I do not think others should be. A quality GM/coach combo can easily win with this ownership/president set-up. Ted is effectively the business guy.

 

Agreed. The fact that they're bringing in Accorsi to be the voice of football reason makes me feel better about the situation. I have no idea how qualified he is, but the fact that the last coach he hired has been in the job as long as he has tells me he has a decent idea of what he's doing.

 

Accorsi is very qualified. He's been a longtime GM and successful and is still involved with the league.

 

The truth of the matter is there is no purpose for a football decision making guy above the GM. Such a guy can only meddle in the GMs decisions on draft day. Once a guy like Ernie makes his recommendations, and, assuming they are hired, there would be no role for such a man going forward. The key is finding the right GM/coach combo.

I'd rather see someone who is capable of navigating the changes that will come along the way. Just because Accorsi makes a recommendation, doesn't mean the coaching or GM hire may not flop. It'd be good to know the guy at top has a clear organizational structure and know how to keep it chugging along when the next big decision has to be made. It doesn't have to be a strict football guy, but I see little to indicate Phillips has that vision and ability to take the wheel post-Accorsi.

You mean like how they fired emery 3 years in and trestman 2 years in when they knew it failed.

[Guest]

You mean like how they fired emery 3 years in and trestman 2 years in when they knew it failed.

I think it has a better chance at failing if they just hand the keys over to another first time GM with Phillips providing the over arcing vision.

[jersey cubs fan]

"Vision" is meaningless. They need a gm.

[Guest]

Marc Ross doesn't know everything he needs to know, so I hope you're willing to be patient with him or another similar candidate as GM.

[Guest]

Looking at the teams who are the cream of the crop among NFL teams now, and who their GM/main hires have been you have a few pools.

 

1. Guys hired with prior GM-like experience (ie- Bill Belichek in New England was de-facto GM in Cleveland prior)

2. First timers hired under really strong HC already established (ie- Kevin Colbert under Cowher in Pittsburgh)

3. First timers hired under strong ownership/CEO structures (ie- Thompson in GB, who served under the previous successful regime as well)

4. First timers who took some time to get established (Ozzie Newsome in Balt who made playoffs in year 5)

5. First timers with some combination of all that, but not quite as strong in any one area (ie- Seattle Seahawks who's GM isn't the final decision maker anyways, but they have a president with prior sports experience, a with prior HC experience, and an owner with successful businesses and sports franchises)

 

I don't see the Phillips/McCaskey team offering up anything from points 2, 3, or 5 so they better bring in a really strong experience candidate somewhere in the chain and not a Director of Player Personell and Defensive Coordinator. Or be patient and be able to identify in year three is we're still headed in the right direction, even if we put up records of 4-12, 6-9-1, and 6-10.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think your categories are arbitrary and not helpful.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marc Ross doesn't know everything he needs to know, so I hope you're willing to be patient with him or another similar candidate as GM.

No need to be any more patient than with anybody else.

[Guest]

I didn't put the teams into the categories, I looked at the most successful franchises and saw what they had in place at the time of their hires and who the hires were. I can't find a great NFL model that involves lack of good experience top to bottom that didn't involve a good bit of patience (playoffs in year 5 for Ozzie/Balt, which was incidentally a SB win too).

 

If you want to add a couple extra successful franchises over the past 20 years, I'd add Indy and Denver (Peyton Manning in both, and strong executive hires in the case Indy, and Elway also as QB for Denver). You can certainly also add NYG who've had lots of experience throughout all their hires and promoted from within their organizational structure a lot along the way when they had less experienced hires.

 

So you could add number 6 which is generational QB (duh).

[Guest]

I'd rather whoever is consulting that they have had a prominent role in football within the last 8 years.

 

Maybe you should listen to the press conference before spouting off nonsense. Accorsi is part of an NFL committee that manages/compiles the pool of candidates for GM and coaching jobs.

 

He's part of it but only Accorsi has been hired as a consultant specifically by the Bears. That's great he's in that role but I want a further separation.

 

I want that person to have a long term vision.

 

Accorsi has no long term vision with long term accountability.

 

Who do you want to hire the person with the long term vision and long term accountability?

Someone with some positive experience with long term vision and building.

 

Before your subsequent posts, I thought this was a joke post. Now not sure.

[Guest]

The joke is thinking that this next era with Phillips is any more likely to succeed that the subsequent two. You're basically hoping it all just kind of falls into place because Accorsi gives you a really good recommendation, and possibly that might be a first time GM (Ross) and first time HC (Bowles) if I'm following fan consensus correctly.

[Guest]

The joke is thinking that this next era with Phillips is any more likely to succeed that the subsequent two. You're basically hoping it all just kind of falls into place because Accorsi gives you a really good recommendation, and possibly that might be a first time GM (Ross) and first time HC (Bowles) if I'm following fan consensus correctly.

 

what does fan consensus have to do with the likelihood of anything happening?

 

if you want a football guy to hire the football guys, who hires the first football guy?

 

you replied "Someone with some positive experience with long term vision and building"

 

i have no idea what that means or where that guy is going to come from but george mccaskey is going to have to pick and hire someone

[Guest]

what does fan consensus have to do with the likelihood of anything happening?

It doesn't.

 

if you want a football guy to hire the football guys, who hires the first football guy?

My requirement isn't strictly a football guy. An executive with proven positive experience meeting organizational goals (preferably in a sports setting) would be okay. Phillips/McCaskey isn't that.

 

i have no idea what that means or where that guy is going to come from but george mccaskey is going to have to pick and hire someone

Agreed, he does have to. I hope he sees the lack of strong experience and Phillips lack of skills and realizes how important experience somewhere in these two openings is. If not the coach, the GM, or vice versa, and not just whoever is a close former associate of Accorsi (ie- Ross rumors).