Offseason Rumors & Transactions Thread

[Banedon]

Am I the only one getting confused with IMB and Kyle's new names? Just me? ok then.

[Andy]

Am I the only one getting confused with IMB and Kyle's new names? Just me? ok then.

I go by avatar for like 80% of posters here.

[Guest]

isnt headley actually terrible garbage and bad

 

Luis Valbuena has pretty much matched his production if not exceeded it over the last couple of years.

 

whaa?

[Gilby]

I can totally believe the Cubs made that offer. Jed brought up needing more OBP just the other day, and there aren't a ton of outfield options for that. Edited December 4, 2014 by Gilby

[CP_414]

Passan tweeted that CLUBS were told Headley was offered a 4/65 deal. I'm going to guess this Pepen guy misread clubs as Cubs and rewrote it in Spanish.

 

If it is real, I wouldn't hate it.

[Banedon]

Am I the only one getting confused with IMB and Kyle's new names? Just me? ok then.

I go by avatar for like 80% of posters here.

 

Don't have those or sigs turned on.

[imb]

Am I the only one getting confused with IMB and Kyle's new names? Just me? ok then.

 

[expletive] you brandon

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm trying to slowly become IMB. I am also cultivating an affinity for NBA basketball.

[imb]

I'm trying to slowly become IMB. I am also cultivating an affinity for NBA basketball.

 

i can tell you that is a mistake. the second part anyway. good luck with step 1

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm trying to slowly become IMB. I am also cultivating an affinity for NBA basketball.

 

i can tell you that is a mistake. the second part anyway. good luck with step 1

 

I've also been hanging around executions.

 

I'm going to be honest, I don't know a lot about you, so this plan is kind of inefficient.

[seanimal]

I'm trying to slowly become IMB. I am also cultivating an affinity for NBA basketball.

 

i can tell you that is a mistake. the second part anyway. good luck with step 1

 

I've also been hanging around executions.

 

I'm going to be honest, I don't know a lot about you, so this plan is kind of inefficient.

 

well you're already off to a bad start

[Sammy Sofa]

I've also been hanging around executions.

 

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[Clem Fandango]

isnt headley actually terrible garbage and bad

 

Luis Valbuena has pretty much matched his production if not exceeded it over the last couple of years.

 

whaa?

 

Offensively you could argue Valbuena is the better offensive player, but Headley's defense is what propped up his fWAR this year. In fact, between the two, their defensive and offensive values have fluctuated wildly over the last two seasons.

 

YEAR/OFF/DEF/WAR

Headley

2013/6.4/9.2/3.6

2014/2.0/21.6/4.4

 

Valbuena

2013/-2.2/9.7/2.1

2014/9.7/-1.1/2.7

 

Valbuena's overall production is good enough that I don't think there's an absolute need for Headley, but Headley is better than Valbuena in terms of all around game, and there's nothing wrong with good players replacing decent players.

 

That said the rumor was clearly misinterpreted and I doubt the Cubs have anything going on with this so it doesn't really matter.

[Tracer Bullet]

I've also been hanging around executions.

 

http://1.fwcdn.pl/ph/79/60/7960/261571.1.jpg

 

could be worse. could be raining

[Guest]

At this point, I just want to do something.

 

Let's...

 

1) trade Baez + Wood + CJ for Ross + Grandal

2) trade Castro + Turner/Straily + PJ/Vogelbach for Harvey + Syndergaard

3) sign Headley (I actually liked this idea at the rumored contract)

4) trade Jaxon for Crawford

5) sign Liriano / McCarthy

6) sign Beachy / Medlen / JJohnson / Anderson

 

We'll just call Russell ready enough.

 

Grandal / Castillo

Rizzo

Valbuena / Alcantara

Russell

Headley / Bryant

Bryant / Crawford

Alcantara / Crawford

Soler / Bryant

 

Harvey

Ross

Arrieta

Liriano/McCarthy

Hendricks

 

The lineup gives Maddon tons of flexibility to move people around for matchups, upgrades OBP at a couple of spots, and provides insurance in case Alcantara or Bryant have a rough adjustment to the majors.

 

The pitching staff gets a massive upgrade with Harvey, Ross, Liriano/McCarthy + injury guy(s) + Syndergaard in AAA.

 

The money works. Heck, I'm tempted to add someone like Hammel ,as well. Hendricks can stay in AAA and be sixth starter. We'd still be at a pretty reasonable price.

 

We lose Baez, CJ + PJ from pieces that would be important to us next year. SD does the trade because they're looking for power bats and Wood's fly ball tendencies would play well in Petco. NY does the trade because they need a shortstop and they have a strained relationship with Harvey. LA needs to ditch outfielders.

 

Rip it to shreds.

[bukie]

So...take all the young hitter depth we have and trade it away for pitching. Seems like a solid long term strategy.

 

We take on a total of 3 pitchers who are either coming off injury or came off injury last year, add one young pitcher in exchange for our existing young pitching, and assume Russell is ready on day one to compete this year.

Edited December 5, 2014 by bukie

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So...take all the young power hitter depth we have.

 

From the guy who lectures everyone on overreacting?

[bukie]

What I'm saying is I don't think the team stockpiled young offensive assets for 4 years just to blow it all in one offseason for a catcher that can pitch frame and a bunch of recently-injured pitching.

 

EDIT: I mean, if the Cubs' current "problem" is they have too many middle infield quality assets (which is a wonderful problem to have, since they can play anywhere) and not enough pitching and catcher depth, trading the one middle infield asset that is an established all-star level player isn't the best way to fix it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why do you keep saying "blow it all"?

 

We'd still have Bryant and Soler and Alcantara and a billion other prospects.

[bukie]

Let's put it a simpler way: I think they're losing value in both trade #1 and trade #2.

 

#1: I know some have really soured on Baez thanks to his contact rate issues, but I still think he's more valuable in a trade than almost any pitcher, including Ross. CJ for Grandal also seems like a value sacrifice, so if we're giving up value twice to dump Wood, I'd almost rather just dump Wood for nothing, then.

 

#2: I don't see the value in trading Castro at all, especially if they aren't getting a better player in return, which I'm not sold on for either Harvey or Syndergaard. If they're already trading Baez, there's especially no reason to trade Castro unless the return blows you away, which it doesn't on its own, let alone adding assets to send with him.

 

As for the rest, Headley is a valuable asset if there's a need there, which there'd only be if you're creating one by dumping the existing plan. Jackson for Crawford...sure, I'd rather have Crawford as a 4th OF than Jackson as a 5th SP...but that Crawford contract goes on longer and I'm not sure how much use the Cubs would have with a 33 year old corner OF that's best asset is speed.

[sneakypower]

then great, you ask for Wisler or or Liriano or Quackenbush or whoever else you feel you need to even the scales

 

i'm still reluctant to want to part with Castro but Harvey's such a rare talent i'd have trouble resisting...NY'd never pair him & Thor in the same deal, though, i have little doubt about that

[Banedon]

Random internet guy says that he met a friend of Brady Aiken in his stats class, and that if granted FA, Aiken would like to sign with the Cubs or Padres. So...there's that.

 

[Guest]

Random internet guy says that he met a friend of Brady Aiken in his stats class, and that if granted FA, Aiken would like to sign with the Cubs or Padres. So...there's that.

 

 

Is there even any chance of that whatsoever at this point?

[Banedon]

Random internet guy says that he met a friend of Brady Aiken in his stats class, and that if granted FA, Aiken would like to sign with the Cubs or Padres. So...there's that.

 

 

Is there even any chance of that whatsoever at this point?

 

No idea. Honestly, that's why I posted it here...so someone could tell me the level of ridiculousness.

[Rob]

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