The James Shields Thread (Signed with Padres)

[David]

With Marlin saying we're going hard after both Shields and Lester, plus Wittenmyer having them both tops on our board, might as well have a thread for the Shields pursuit.

 

 

Thought this was an interesting read

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/return-of-the-james-shields-changeup/

[Guest]

Shields is a hard guy to pin down.

 

+ been a consistent performer for a long time, 4 straight seasons of at least 3.7 fWAR and 7 of 8 seasons of 3.5+ fWAR

+ very durable, 225+ IP 4 straight years, 31+ starts every year since he was in AA(2006)

+ repertoire should age gracefully(hasn't lost velocity despite his age) and is good Bosio bait(fastball, cutter, killer change, infrequent curve)

+ should see a slight bump moving away from the AL

 

- 33 at the start of next year, very dangerous to give a longer term deal to such a pitcher

- lacks truly elite ceiling, he's been a Top 20 pitcher twice and only once in the last 7 years

- has a lot of miles on his arm

 

Shields has a lot to like, but his age cuts into the big benefit of adding him(consistency/durability). I'm a lot more interested in adding him than I was a week ago, but at the same time I think he's the most likely guy to Jaxon on us of the expensive FA options.

[ConstableRabbit]

+ Is nicknamed "Big Game James"

 

- Is nicknamed "Big Game James"

[treebird]

+ if we get him we can call all of his starts big jame games

[Ding Dong Johnson]

+ if we get him we can call all of his starts big jame games

no more positives needed

[ctcf]

SOLD

[George Hayduke]

+ if we get him we can call all of his starts big jame games

Tree can go with big jam gams.

[Guest]

+ if we get him we can call all of his starts big jame games

+ we can call him Big Jame Gumb

[PackLandVA]

+ we can call him Big Jame Gumb

 

Then he'd have to change his uniform to #(size)12

[Guest]

+ we can call him Big Jame Gumb

 

Then he'd have to change his uniform to #(size)12

 

was she a great big fat person?

[BeerHere]

=D>

[RynoRules]

Why don't we want Scherzer again?

[Clem Fandango]

Why don't we want Scherzer again?

 

I think he'll be the biggest ticket on the FA market this offseason. He turned down a 6-year $144 million extension. Either he thinks he can get/wants more than that on the open market or he really didn't want to stay in Detroit, but I'm guessing it's the former. And there's nothing he did this season that would make teams say he doesn't deserve that type of money.

 

He's going to cost a [expletive] load, so I'd guess cost and the fact that it seems he wants a a long term extension which this FO is not likely to offer.

[Guest]

Why don't we want Scherzer again?

 

I think he'll be the biggest ticket on the FA market this offseason. He turned down a 6-year $144 million extension. Either he thinks he can get/wants more than that on the open market or he really didn't want to stay in Detroit, but I'm guessing it's the former. And there's nothing he did this season that would make teams say he doesn't deserve that type of money.

 

He's going to cost a [expletive] load, so I'd guess cost and the fact that it seems he wants a a long term extension which this FO is not likely to offer.

 

 

IIRC there's been at least one report that it's the medicals.

[Guest]

here's some stuff...cafardo said scherzer is on the cubs radar

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/08/14/its-early-but-there-are-mixed-signals-for-the-cubs-on-free-agent-to-be-max-scherzer/

[SouthSideRyan]

It's Heyman, but he says the Royals will look to keep him.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24744290/sources-royals-to-make-run-at-shields-as-free-agent-playoff-run-helps

[Guest]

Well, they DID trade the #1 prospect in baseball for him.

[illiniguy]

Dayton Moore came right out and said they wouldn't be active in the free agent market. Maybe he meant other guys and considered Shields a non free agent, but the feeling I get living in KC is that he's very gone.

[jersey cubs fan]

Dayton Moore came right out and said they wouldn't be active in the free agent market. Maybe he meant other guys and considered Shields a non free agent, but the feeling I get living in KC is that he's very gone.

 

I've never heard anybody refer to trying to resign their own guys as being active in the free agent market.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

It's Heyman, but he says the Royals will look to keep him.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24744290/sources-royals-to-make-run-at-shields-as-free-agent-playoff-run-helps

unless they don't.

[Rob]

It's Heyman, but he says the Royals will look to keep him.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24744290/sources-royals-to-make-run-at-shields-as-free-agent-playoff-run-helps

 

I don't think they've got the payroll space to retain him, but I could be wrong about that. He'd probably need to take a sweetheart deal after winning the world series or something though.

[SouthSideRyan]

They have a lot of arb increases to take care of, but they should raise payroll, and they shed 16M from Willingham, Hochevar, and Downs. It'd be tight, but they could manage.

[Vinestal]

It's Heyman, but he says the Royals will look to keep him.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24744290/sources-royals-to-make-run-at-shields-as-free-agent-playoff-run-helps

unless they don't.

Lol was going to say that

[Guest]

They have a lot of arb increases to take care of, but they should raise payroll, and they shed 16M from Willingham, Hochevar, and Downs. It'd be tight, but they could manage.

 

They've only had Willingham and Downs for a couple months, I'm not sure if their salaries are indicative of the year-long threshold that Glass will want to reach payroll-wise. Maybe with the playoff money/success though.

[SouthSideRyan]

They have a lot of arb increases to take care of, but they should raise payroll, and they shed 16M from Willingham, Hochevar, and Downs. It'd be tight, but they could manage.

 

They've only had Willingham and Downs for a couple months, I'm not sure if their salaries are indicative of the year-long threshold that Glass will want to reach payroll-wise. Maybe with the playoff money/success though.

 

Shouldn't have trusted Cots individual numbers adding up to the sum