Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[mul21]

To me, Soler, Bryant and Russell are pretty much untouchable. I like Tim's idea of Vogelbach. Almora and P. Johnson. I'd include Hendricks as well and ask for 15-20 mill or so in addition to Hamels.

Hendricks would never make it through waivers.

 

Wouldn't Soler have to get through as well since he's on the 40 man?

[mul21]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.

 

I don't know, Almora would seem to be the most expendable of the prospects out there since Alcantara can play aseemingly solid CF. He's also the farthest from being ready. Losing him wouldn't bother me much in a deal for Hamels. I'm just not sold on him being able to adjust his approach and not swing at everything.

[Guest]

We aren't trading Soler. That's monumental stupidity.

[TruffleShuffle]

trading away the phillies current assets is going to be a key step in their rebuilding process. i wonder if their ownership really wants amaro making key decisions on some of their aging veterans, since he could (should) be [expletive] canned after the season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.

 

Then the Cubs have unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return too

[Guest]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.

 

Then the Cubs have unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return too

Yeah, if Almora and Vogelbach get it done you can celebrate your ass off young man.

[abuck1220]

they're obviously not getting him for vogelbach and spare parts, and they'd be crazy to refuse to trade almora for him. come on.

[Guest]

And including Almora would be easy if we get Rusney Castillo.

[abuck1220]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

[Guest]

But the no trade clause is big, however, the Angels and Dodgers are flush with California surfer ace free agents that just desperately can't bear to be separated from the Cleveland of the west coast for one second or they'll die.

 

So it's us or San Diego and San Diego is more hobo than we are.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Stannis

[UMFan83]

I know this has been said, but its really promising to see the Cubs were at least willing to acquire a pitcher who is going to make over 20m a season over the next 4 years. It's just another positive sign in a series of positive signs that baseball is about to get fun again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.

 

Then the Cubs have unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return too

 

Or it's just not a good fit and there probably won't be a deal.

[Guest]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.

 

Then the Cubs have unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return too

 

Or it's just not a good fit and there probably won't be a deal.

The deal isn't going to happen, I think we can all agree, but talking about fit is stupid.

[Guest]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Vogelbach is purposefully being treated as a trade chip that's a cut below, no? And while he's not some trump card, he's also got an OPS 90 points above the league average, so he's not tanking at Daytona either.

[Guest]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Vogelbach is purposefully being treated as a trade chip that's a cut below, no? And while he's not some trump card, he's also got an OPS 90 points above the league average, so he's not tanking at Daytona either.

Yeah I mean high WOBA guys that flash advanced approaches with plus power just grow on trees and most front offices don't pay attention to peripherals at all.

[rawaction]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Yeah, probably need to stop that. Guys without positions need to have absolutely elite bats. He has never put up elite numbers. Probably not going to at this point.

[davell]

If guys only have to make it back to Philly in the waiver wire process.....I could see Alcantara and Almora as the top two guys heading to Philly. We sign Rusney and we head into the offseason looking pretty damn solid.(no, I don't expect it)

[Sammy Sofa]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Vogelbach is purposefully being treated as a trade chip that's a cut below, no? And while he's not some trump card, he's also got an OPS 90 points above the league average, so he's not tanking at Daytona either.

Yeah I mean high WOBA guys that flash advanced approaches with plus power just grow on trees and most front offices don't pay attention to peripherals at all.

 

"Flash" is probably the key word in this; his inability to consistently hit at the levels hoped of coupled with the defensive issues make him more of an add-on than a centerpiece in a deal. A decent add-on, sure, but you're not centering a major deal around him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The deal isn't going to happen, I think we can all agree, but talking about fit is stupid.

 

A week ago, nobody who needed Hamels for the playoffs this year could give enough to get Phladelphia to move him.

 

He's not going to be worth more to us now than he was to contenders last week, and I doubt even Amaro would have much swing in his expectations in such a short time peroid.

[Guest]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Yeah, probably need to stop that. Guys without positions need to have absolutely elite bats. He has never put up elite numbers. Probably not going to at this point.

So someone with a low K rate, high walk rate, and good power potential can't be sold a valuable trade chip?

[Guest]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Vogelbach is purposefully being treated as a trade chip that's a cut below, no? And while he's not some trump card, he's also got an OPS 90 points above the league average, so he's not tanking at Daytona either.

Yeah I mean high WOBA guys that flash advanced approaches with plus power just grow on trees and most front offices don't pay attention to peripherals at all.

 

"Flash" is probably the key word in this; his inability to consistently hit at the levels hoped of coupled with the defensive issues make him more of an add-on than a centerpiece in a deal. A decent add-on, sure, but you're not centering a major deal around him.

Oh, I never implied him as a centerpiece.

[RynoRules]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Yeah, probably need to stop that. Guys without positions need to have absolutely elite bats. He has never put up elite numbers. Probably not going to at this point.

 

He's not elite. But as part of a larger package that includes Johnson, Almora, and another piece he is worth something.

[abuck1220]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Vogelbach is purposefully being treated as a trade chip that's a cut below, no? And while he's not some trump card, he's also got an OPS 90 points above the league average, so he's not tanking at Daytona either.

 

there are lots of guys that aren't "tanking" the level they're at. doesn't mean anyone wants to trade for them.

 

he needs to be a 30 hr guy to have value. he's shown no ability to do that.

[rawaction]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Yeah, probably need to stop that. Guys without positions need to have absolutely elite bats. He has never put up elite numbers. Probably not going to at this point.

So someone with a low K rate, high walk rate, and good power potential can't be sold a valuable trade chip?

 

Valuable? Yes. Great? No, which is what I responded to and agreed with. He's slightly better than a Mike Olt type in the Garza trade.

[Guest]

are we ever going to stop acting like vogelbach is some great trade chip? sub .800 OPS as a supposed slugging 1b. nobody's falling over themselves to trade for him.

 

Yeah, probably need to stop that. Guys without positions need to have absolutely elite bats. He has never put up elite numbers. Probably not going to at this point.

So someone with a low K rate, high walk rate, and good power potential can't be sold a valuable trade chip?

 

Valuable? Yes. Great? No, which is what I responded to and agreed with. He's slightly better than a Mike Olt type in the Garza trade.

He's already a more polished hitter than Olt.