Samardzija trade rumors

[Clem Fandango]

Eddie Butler would be great if he started striking people out again. I asked in another thread (or maybe earlier in this one) but is he toying with a sinker to induce more ground balls this year or something?

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

[Guest]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

[SouthSideRyan]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens because teams don't want elite prospects, especially pitchers throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff

[Guest]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens

meh, you said couldn't.

 

 

Anyway, I'd like to target Dahl along with one of the pitchers in the deal, if possible. Something along the lines of Butler/Dahl/CompBalPick would make me pretty happy.

[Guest]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens because teams don't want elite prospects, especially pitchers throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff

It actually happened with Pomeranz between Colorado and Cleveland when they traded for Ubaldo.

[Post Count Padder]

Who else in the Rockies system would make a good deal sweetener or second piece after Gray/Butler? Any good catchers in their system or interesting arms in the low minors?

[Guest]

Butler, Bettis, Dickerson, comp pick, done

[Guest]

Butler, Bettis, Dickerson, comp pick, done

Isn't Dickerson just Olt with an unsustainable BA?

 

---- eta

 

well, looking back through his history that isn't the case. I distrust anyone that got his numbers in the texas league and colorado springs, though.

 

I don't see the attraction to Bettis. Since he had his shoulder surgery he hasn't been the same pitcher.

[Guest]

Butler, Bettis, Dickerson, comp pick, done

Isn't Dickerson just Olt with an unsustainable BA?

 

---- eta

 

well, looking back through his history that isn't the case. I distrust anyone that got his numbers in the texas league and colorado springs, though.

 

I don't see the attraction to Bettis. Since he had his shoulder surgery he hasn't been the same pitcher.

 

If Dickerson's numbers could be taken at face value, he'd be far more valuable than one of several guys coming back for Samardzija.

 

Bettis's numbers are difficult to see through the haze of his ascending levels, but I don't see a huge issue. His MiLB numbers post surgery are nearly identical to his career MiLB numbers, save for a couple of HR(hardly a surprise w/ Tulsa and Colo Springs as his two home parks).

 

Really it was kind of a flippant idea so I'm not married to it, but after a little more reflection I'm still okay with that being what comes back.

[Guest]

I take it you think Bettis could still be a starter?

[muntjack]

The centerpiece of a trade being a 23 yr old who isn't missing AA bats does not excite me. Samardzjia is under contract to pitch in Chicago for next year as well. Seems like this is the kind of return expected if they dealt him next summer.

[Guest]

I take it you think Bettis could still be a starter?

 

Yes, I don't see why he couldn't be. If medical evaluation puts that in doubt then it changes things of course, but the idea is that Bettis is a rotation candidate that could be a reliever if that doesn't work out.

[Guest]

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the Cubs have "inquired about receiving a competitive-balance draft pick and the accompanying bonus-pool money" as part of a return package for right-hander Jeff Samardzija.

This would require that a trade get done by Thursday's first round. Passan suspects that the Rockies, who have a competitive-balance pick at 35th overall, could be the team that the Cubs are talking to. Samardzija was shelled for eight earned runs in three innings Sunday by the Brewers but still owns a shiny 2.54 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, and 67/23 K/BB ratio in 78 total frames this year. He can become a free agent after the 2015 season.

 

It's a shame Baltimore already traded their competitive balance pick.

[Named After Maddux]

I know I haven't posted in awhile. A residency can suck up so much time.

 

Has anyone thought about the possibility of the Pirates making a play for Samardzija? It's been discussed here before, but the Pirates are now 26-30 and just 3 games behind the Cardinals for 2nd (and who knows if Milwaukee will continue on their current run). They could definitely entice the Cubs with pitching. Even with Taillon out with TJS, Pittsburgh has Glasnow and Kingham as available options. I'd be shocked if Polanco is available unless they get desperate. Also, Pittsburgh now has two competitive balance picks to move if they so choose (#39 from Miami and their original #73).

 

Samardzija would add a ton of value to a mediocre pitching staff outside of Cole and maybe Morton.

[Guest]

I know I haven't posted in awhile. A residency can suck up so much time.

 

Has anyone thought about the possibility of the Pirates making a play for Samardzija? It's been discussed here before, but the Pirates are now 26-30 and just 3 games behind the Cardinals for 2nd (and who knows if Milwaukee will continue on their current run). They could definitely entice the Cubs with pitching. Even with Taillon out with TJS, Pittsburgh has Glasnow and Kingham as available options. I'd be shocked if Polanco is available unless they get desperate. Also, Pittsburgh now has two competitive balance picks to move if they so choose (#39 from Miami and their original #73).

 

Samardzija would add a ton of value to a mediocre pitching staff outside of Cole and maybe Morton.

 

Once traded, a competitive balance pick can't be traded again.

[NOLA]

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the Cubs have "inquired about receiving a competitive-balance draft pick and the accompanying bonus-pool money" as part of a return package for right-hander Jeff Samardzija.

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I may be way off base but this made my heart sink a little, because I was hoping for at least one guy who could start or play in the OF or C next season. This makes me re-rethink when they plan on being competitive. Am I wrong?

[mul21]

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the Cubs have "inquired about receiving a competitive-balance draft pick and the accompanying bonus-pool money" as part of a return package for right-hander Jeff Samardzija.

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I may be way off base but this made my heart sink a little, because I was hoping for at least one guy who could start or play in the OF or C next season. This makes me re-rethink when they plan on being competitive. Am I wrong?

 

I don't see why getting a pick would be any different than getting a high ceiling, high risk minor leaguer as part of a deal, they just have more control over who that guy is. I don't see it as having any relevance to when they're going to be competitive one way or the other.

[NOLA]

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the Cubs have "inquired about receiving a competitive-balance draft pick and the accompanying bonus-pool money" as part of a return package for right-hander Jeff Samardzija.

.

I may be way off base but this made my heart sink a little, because I was hoping for at least one guy who could start or play in the OF or C next season. This makes me re-rethink when they plan on being competitive. Am I wrong?

 

I don't see why getting a pick would be any different than getting a high ceiling, high risk minor leaguer as part of a deal, they just have more control over who that guy is. I don't see it as having any relevance to when they're going to be competitive one way or the other.

Maybe a year or two's difference in regards to impact on the big league club? We would be trading our ace, so I was hoping that in return we would get someone starting next season who could begin to fill that void, or at least filling the OF void.

[Tryptamine]

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the Cubs have "inquired about receiving a competitive-balance draft pick and the accompanying bonus-pool money" as part of a return package for right-hander Jeff Samardzija.

.

I may be way off base but this made my heart sink a little, because I was hoping for at least one guy who could start or play in the OF or C next season. This makes me re-rethink when they plan on being competitive. Am I wrong?

 

I don't see why getting a pick would be any different than getting a high ceiling, high risk minor leaguer as part of a deal, they just have more control over who that guy is. I don't see it as having any relevance to when they're going to be competitive one way or the other.

Maybe a year or two's difference in regards to impact on the big league club? We would be trading our ace, so I was hoping that in return we would get someone starting next season who could begin to fill that void, or at least filling the OF void.

 

It's not like the pick is going to be the primary piece. It would likely be the tertiary piece in the deal so it doesn't really matter affect the time line at all.

[NOLA]

It's not like the pick is going to be the primary piece. It would likely be the tertiary piece in the deal so it doesn't really matter affect the time line at all.

OK, makes sense. I read that wrongly I guess.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, a pick just got traded for Bryan Morris. I think the consensus is that the Marlins way overpaid, but still they don't have that much value.

[CubsWin]

Gray isn't getting traded, nevermind that he couldn't be traded with a comp pick since they have conflicting deadlines

he could be traded as PTBNL

 

Yes in the mythical scenario that never happens because teams don't want elite prospects, especially pitchers throwing under the guidance of another teams coaching staff

He would be a PTBNL for all of a day or two so this doesn't come into play at all.

[Infrequent Poster]

Eddie Butler getting called up to make the start for the Rockies on Friday.

[Tryptamine]

Also, apparently his Ks were down because he was asked to pitch to contact and induce grounders. I really want Butler.