Samardzija trade rumors

[Backtobanks]

But with every dominant start he makes I think the likelihood that he stays goes up.

 

I think just the opposite. If he continues to pitch the way he has been pitching, it's more likely some other team will sweeten their offer for him. The sad part of this scenario is that the Cubs will probably end up paying a ton of money for a FA TOR pitcher in a few years.

[Guest]

But with every dominant start he makes I think the likelihood that he stays goes up.

 

I think just the opposite. If he continues to pitch the way he has been pitching, it's more likely some other team will sweeten their offer for him. The sad part of this scenario is that the Cubs will probably end up paying a ton of money for a FA TOR pitcher in a few years.

 

why is that sad if it actually happens?

[SouthSideRyan]

We'll I'm sure it's not what he was going for but the few years part would be sad

[Backtobanks]

But with every dominant start he makes I think the likelihood that he stays goes up.

 

I think just the opposite. If he continues to pitch the way he has been pitching, it's more likely some other team will sweeten their offer for him. The sad part of this scenario is that the Cubs will probably end up paying a ton of money for a FA TOR pitcher in a few years.

 

why is that sad if it actually happens?

 

We'll I'm sure it's not what he was going for but the few years part would be sad

 

I guess what I meant to say is that the FA TOR pitcher will probably be older than Shark and not as good.

[Tryptamine]

I'd love to trade Samardzija and sign another high end pitcher. We get the prospects and still get a good pitcher, best of both worlds.

[Backtobanks]

I'd love to trade Samardzija and sign another high end pitcher. We get the prospects and still get a good pitcher, best of both worlds.

 

That's assuming the pitcher is as good as Samardzija and the prospects pan out.

[Guest]

keep Shark, sign Scherzer.

[Thrilho]

keep Shark, sign Scherzer.

 

 

+1

 

Part of the idea when they were going for Tanaka was that they'd "go for it" and sign Shark too. So then the money is presumably there for two front line pitchers. If you added Shark to the mix of FA pitchers this offseason my top two would be Scherzer and Shark. (That includes Lester.)

 

You've already got negotiating leverage and a window to exclusively deal with Shark. So go get the best two guys.

 

I'd also much rather have Shark than anything similar to the Garza deal or the Stroman/Sanchez deal. The Cubs need front line, playoff type starters. Shark has the stuff to dominate, and if he starts consistently getting results then he's one of those guys. Plus, his risk factors are low. Never really been injured, big enough that he's a pretty low injury risk going forward, and low mileage for his age. Even if you get a top 15 pitching prospect he's still got plenty of TINSTAAP going on.

[d_money]

keep Shark, sign Scherzer.

With the crop of prospects mainly being position players, the big spend could/should be in the pitcher FA market.

[CarolinaCubFan]

I was listening to MLB radio the other day and Bowden said he's had conversations with Hoyer concerning the Samardzija contract situation.

 

His takeaway:

 

Samardzija wants paid like a TOR

 

Cubs tell Samardzija he hasn't justified being paid TOR money.

 

Cubs tell Samardzija if he wants paid TOR money, show us you deserve it.

 

Samardzija shows Cubs he is worth it. Now what?

 

Nothing new, but I liked the breakdown. I think there is a good chance Samardzija will remain a Cub. On the same hand, the Cubs will shop him and see if someone will give a kings ransom. Either way, the Cubs are in the catbird seat on this one.

[A New Era]

Shark is good for the Cubs, I hope he stays. Not just ability but he seems to thrive with competition. Would be nice to keep that kind of leadership in the clubhouse.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shark is good for the Cubs, I hope he stays. Not just ability but he seems to thrive with competition. Would be nice to keep that kind of leadership in the clubhouse.

 

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[Guest]

I was listening to MLB radio the other day and Bowden said he's had conversations with Hoyer concerning the Samardzija contract situation.

 

His takeaway:

 

Samardzija wants paid like a TOR

 

Cubs tell Samardzija he hasn't justified being paid TOR money.

 

Cubs tell Samardzija if he wants paid TOR money, show us you deserve it.

 

Samardzija shows Cubs he is worth it. Now what?

 

Nothing new, but I liked the breakdown. I think there is a good chance Samardzija will remain a Cub. On the same hand, the Cubs will shop him and see if someone will give a kings ransom. Either way, the Cubs are in the catbird seat on this one.

 

Yeah, I think it's important to remember that Shark's valuation isn't a static thing, if he continues to pitch at a ~5 win pace the FO is going to be more likely to offer him more money. That also means that Shark may ask for even more, but given the hints we have about his demands to date, I think his performance thus far is more likely to bring them closer on extension terms.

[SouthSideRyan]

keep Shark, sign Scherzer.

 

 

+1

 

Part of the idea when they were going for Tanaka was that they'd "go for it" and sign Shark too.

 

I never saw any indication of that, and was actually operating under the theory that they'd trade Samardzija in order to afford Tanaka.

[Backtobanks]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

[weis21]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

[Backtobanks]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

 

If we had signed Tanaka or Darvish we wouldn't be playing meaningless games in August. Trading Shark (and probably Hammel) at the deadline probably means 2 or 3 more years of meaningless games in August.

[Tryptamine]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

 

If we had signed Tanaka or Darvish we wouldn't be playing meaningless games in August. Trading Shark (and probably Hammel) at the deadline probably means 2 or 3 more years of meaningless games in August.

 

Adding Darvish or Tanaka doesn't make this team competitive until August. The team would still suck.

[Guest]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

 

If we had signed Tanaka or Darvish we wouldn't be playing meaningless games in August. Trading Shark (and probably Hammel) at the deadline probably means 2 or 3 more years of meaningless games in August.

The Cubs are 4th in the NL in WAR, 5th in FIP. How many more wins do you think they'd have if they replaced one of the current starters with Tanaka or Darvish? Keep in mind that the guy they'd be replacing is Hammel and his 2.45 ERA.

[ScrubMD]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

 

If we had signed Tanaka or Darvish we wouldn't be playing meaningless games in August. Trading Shark (and probably Hammel) at the deadline probably means 2 or 3 more years of meaningless games in August.

 

Maybe, but I really doubt they'd be as good in the OF as you think.

[Backtobanks]

The preferable order of getting things done would be (or have been) sign Scherzer (or Tanaka, Darvish, etc.) and then decide on Samardzija. It lessens the stress and gives you some wiggle room if you know that you have a sure thing at the front of your rotation.

Except for the fact that IF they decide to deal Shark he will have way more value at midseason than at year's end. Either trade him between now and the trading deadline or lock him up as a long-term piece. Those are the only two logical options. There is zero to be gained for having him win (HA!) meaningless games in August.

 

If we had signed Tanaka or Darvish we wouldn't be playing meaningless games in August. Trading Shark (and probably Hammel) at the deadline probably means 2 or 3 more years of meaningless games in August.

 

Maybe, but I really doubt they'd be as good in the OF as you think.

 

Couldn't be any worse than what we have.

[Tryptamine]

Stroman got lit up today. I'm starting to like him as a head piece less and less. At this point he'd almost have to be a secondary piece.

[Gilby]

Stroman got lit up today. I'm starting to like him as a head piece less and less. At this point he'd almost have to be a secondary piece.

 

I think he'll always be about a hit per inning or more type of pitcher with his height. Tough to consistently get the ball down.

 

I may be missing someone, but looking through top prospect lists, the only non-injured pitchers I'd want who could headline a Shark deal are Gray and Syndergaard. I doubt the Rockies or Mets would move them. Maybe some top position players will have to be involved without getting a great pitching spec, like a Cecchini + Owens (is that enough?) or Betts + Owens (too much?). Joc Pederson is good (with lots of K's), but our pitching will be in bad shape if we couldn't get someone better than Lee to go with him. I'd just much rather keep him, but I don't think he wants to be here.

[Neuby]

Trade Shark/Hammel any other flip able pieces at the deadline

Number 4 pick this june

Looking like a top five pick again in 15.

 

Sign two TOR of starters and officially start the dual front strategy.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Trade Shark/Hammel any other flip able pieces at the deadline

Number 4 pick this june

Looking like a top five pick again in 15.

 

Sign two TOR of starters and officially start the dual front strategy.

 

Replace Shark/Hammel with Garza/Feldman, and it was last years master plan. Replace Garza/Feldman with Dempster/Maholm, and it was that of the year before. Now if only those two TOR starters were easier to come by.