Samardzija trade rumors

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The subtext of every single interview either side has given has been screaming "we're just saying this because it's good form to act like an extension is still possible right up to the day of the trade."

[davell]

 

Garza had legit red flags-attitude issues and arm questions.

Attitude issues? Is this because he pointed out the obvious that no smart veterans want to partake in the farce the Cubs organization is performing.

 

No, when his Twitter tirade happened, railing against women, it was noted that this was well known within baseball.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Garza had legit red flags-attitude issues and arm questions.

Attitude issues? Is this because he pointed out the obvious that no smart veterans want to partake in the farce the Cubs organization is performing.

 

No, when his Twitter tirade happened, railing against women, it was noted that this was well known within baseball.

You think Garza's misogynist views were unique enough to be considered a red flag attitude problem?

[davell]

 

Garza had legit red flags-attitude issues and arm questions.

Attitude issues? Is this because he pointed out the obvious that no smart veterans want to partake in the farce the Cubs organization is performing.

 

No, when his Twitter tirade happened, railing against women, it was noted that this was well known within baseball.

You think Garza's misogynist views were unique enough to be considered a red flag attitude problem?

 

You think having those views on women is OK apparently?

[Rex Buckingham]

 

Garza had legit red flags-attitude issues and arm questions.

Attitude issues? Is this because he pointed out the obvious that no smart veterans want to partake in the farce the Cubs organization is performing.

 

No, when his Twitter tirade happened, railing against women, it was noted that this was well known within baseball.

You think Garza's misogynist views were unique enough to be considered a red flag attitude problem?

 

You think having those views on women is OK apparently?

 

not jersey, but I think he's saying that Garza probably isn't alone in baseball circles in terms of being a misogynist or similar type of moron

[Guest]

That's not the same thing. Castro may have raped somebody for all we know, but attitude isn't really on the list of things he can or really should be criticized for.

 

Garza wasn't extended for several reasons. Most importantly is that he had injury trouble during a pretty crucial stretch when they could have considered extending him. On top of that his performance has regularly lagged his stuff(similar to Samardzija) and he's been inconsistent on top of that(unlike Samardzija). If Garza's demeanor/attitude/personal opinions were on the list of reasons, it was way down the list.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Garza had legit red flags-attitude issues and arm questions.

Attitude issues? Is this because he pointed out the obvious that no smart veterans want to partake in the farce the Cubs organization is performing.

 

No, when his Twitter tirade happened, railing against women, it was noted that this was well known within baseball.

You think Garza's misogynist views were unique enough to be considered a red flag attitude problem?

 

You think having those views on women is OK apparently?

 

Seriously? That is your interpretation of what I said?

 

Just to clarify, my point is that being an [expletive] is pretty much par for the course for major league baseball players. The truly decent and nice guys are not the norm. And half of them get criticized by baseball people as being too soft.

[davell]

If you're known as a hothead, has had issues with teammates in the past(even if they became friends) and yell at women in public(mentioned during the Sogard stuff), I think it constitutes an attitude issue that very well could set off red flags.

 

The elbow obviously being the more important reason he was dealt, since it was too risky to worry about the rest.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you're known as a hothead, has had issues with teammates in the past(even if they became friends) and yell at women in public(mentioned during the Sogard stuff), I think it constitutes an attitude issue that very well could set off red flags.

 

The elbow obviously being the more important reason he was dealt, since it was too risky to worry about the rest.

 

He was traded because they got enough value in the trade, questioned his health/ability to live up to an extension and knew they weren't going to be any good in the next few years. The hot head stuff is just a side story.

[davell]

With a limited budget, the attitude issue could certainly help decide if you want to give a guy 5/90 or whatever he wanted during the prior offseason.

[SouthSideRyan]

You feel Garza's attitude affected the club's performance in any way? They must've got hotter than [expletive] once they dumped that cancer off the team

[davell]

You feel Garza's attitude affected the club's performance in any way? They must've got hotter than [expletive] once they dumped that cancer off the team

 

My only point is that there were multiple reasons as to why Garza had no shot at being re-signed, elbow and attitude. My opinion, in our current financial state, is even if there were no elbow issue, he still would have been dealt. As his attitude may have cooled us on spending big on him.

 

With our need for pitching, my hope is that if Shark is or looks to be a longterm ace in a couple of months, they do what they can to lock him in, as there are currently no red flags whatsoever. Hence, why I don't think it's a guarantee he'll be dealt.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just really hope our FO isn't making decisions based on the type of things that got Jim Hendry laughed out of town.

[Tryptamine]

The return for Samardzija is going to have to be pretty overwhelming at this point. Like either a top 25 guy or a couple of top 100s.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The return for Samardzija is going to have to be pretty overwhelming at this point. Like either a top 25 guy or a couple of top 100s.

 

His xFIP is at its highest in three years.

[Guest]

The return for Samardzija is going to have to be pretty overwhelming at this point. Like either a top 25 guy or a couple of top 100s.

 

His xFIP is at its highest in three years.

 

yeah, but he's getting more ground balls. also, what's his home run %? he's obviously got the sinker working hard.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Jesse Rogers was on ESPN Radio the other night advocating a Jeff Samardzija trade to the White Sox centering around Erik Johnson and, I believe, Tim Anderson. The rationale was basically that he would "look good in a Sox uniform" and a rotation with Sale and Shark would be good. How does this guy have a job covering the Cubs, or baseball at all?

[Guest]

Jesse Rogers was on ESPN Radio the other night advocating a Jeff Samardzija trade to the White Sox centering around Erik Johnson and, I believe, Tim Anderson. The rationale was basically that he would "look good in a Sox uniform" and a rotation with Sale and Shark would be good. How does this guy have a job covering the Cubs, or baseball at all?

 

I almost posted in the thread in rants about Rosenbloom, etc. about this. Every time Rogers spoke I wanted to interrupt him with the "no points, god have mercy on your soul" bit. Every time. It was a good reminder that I only like sports radio when they aren't talking about the teams I actually care about.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Jesse Rogers was on ESPN Radio the other night advocating a Jeff Samardzija trade to the White Sox centering around Erik Johnson and, I believe, Tim Anderson. The rationale was basically that he would "look good in a Sox uniform" and a rotation with Sale and Shark would be good. How does this guy have a job covering the Cubs, or baseball at all?

 

I almost posted in the thread in rants about Rosenbloom, etc. about this. Every time Rogers spoke I wanted to interrupt him with the "no points, god have mercy on your soul" bit. Every time. It was a good reminder that I only like sports radio when they aren't talking about the teams I actually care about.

 

Yeah, I've been in my car more than usual lately, so I've been listening to a lot more sports talk radio. I can't 100% verify this one, but I'm pretty certain that I heard Fred Huebner and a caller lamenting Tom Thibodeau's inability to get past the Celtics in Round 1 of the 2009 NBA playoffs. Seriously.

[Clem Fandango]

There's a difference between having an attitude problem and being a douche bag. Sure, you can be accounted for both, but Garza was more douche than cancer.

[Tryptamine]

Is there any realistic scenario that Samardzija gets moved in a deal that involves Betts? Theo obviously liked him enough to draft him and he's destroying AA. He, like Joc Pederson, is completely blocked. Pedroia has 2B and Bogaerts has 3B. I'm of the opinion that if they could acquire Betts, screw Alcantara and just move Javy to 3B.

[Guest]

In terms of potential need for Shark and value received? I don't think that's far-fetched. Personally, I doubt the Red Sox deal Betts for an asset as short term as Shark, and I also have my doubts about those two FOs being able to make a big deal like that come together.

[Clem Fandango]

Never heard of Betts before now... those are insane numbers.

[Thrilho]

I've seen no indication that the 2 sides are close on money, nor has Shark shown any desire to stick around for more of this.

 

 

I don't think you'd see any stories about the 2 sides being close until they were very close on a deal. The FO has until the trade deadline to see if he can continue to dominate. If they decide they want to keep him, they've got until the end of the year to convince him it's worth sticking around. We likely won't know a thing until something big happens.

 

So say by year end you've got Bryant, Baez, and Alcantara up and playing well. Say Rizzo and Castro are still performing the way they are now. The offense looks pretty good then. Say Vizcaino and Rivero have come up to solidify the bullpen. Say they play .500 baseball in August and September.

 

Then, say the Cubs come to Samardzija with that 6 year 100+ million contract. I'd guess its likely Samardzija signs up.

 

That's a hell of a lot of ifs, but a lot of them seem fairly likely to me. The deal that Samardzija is gone for sure because of the competitiveness of he team doesn't jive hat well with me. They haven't offered him the money he wants. Stuff can change, especially when you've got Bryant making a joke out of AA, and our two young ML hitters destroying the ball.

 

I'm hoping like hell they find a get to get Shark back, and if they need to get a just a little aggressive with timetables on these top prospects I'm cool with that. I'm hoping Baez, Bryant, and Alcantara all come up together around July/August, partially to show Shark and other FAs that there's some near term hope. Of course, that would require that all three are destroying AAA. Fingers crossed.

[Thrilho]

Even after all those ifs I didn't really say why I thought Samardzija would take a market value contract from the Cubs. Being a year away from FA, you don't really know what contender is going to give you that offer. Also, if he dominates this year and can get that $15-20 mil from the Cubs, it's a fairly big risk to assume he dominates at the same level in 2015. You can say he bet on himself the last couple years but turning down $50 mil to bet on yourself is different than turning down $100-$150.

 

Also, as much as the lack of run support has sucked, if you've got Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Castro all launching HRs I'm guessing you'd get caught up in the "FINALLY" aspect of it. And pure and simple, power is lacking around the bigs. IF these guys can come up and show him a taste of what his offense could look like that would be big.

 

Plus, signing a big FA pitcher before Shark could help. If if if...I agree with the folks that think it's likely that he's dealt. But with every dominant start he makes I think the likelihood that he stays goes up.