College Football - Week 12 (Nov. 16)

[Ryne Ween]

Im looking at it now though and the good loss @ ASU, the good loss @ OSU, and then impressive beat downs of Iowa and Northwestern and then the strong win vs BYU. I am a South Carolina fan, but I gotta say that Wisconsins resume is stronger than USC's at this point and the gamecocks are #10 in the BCS and likely to be #7 or #8 prior to the Clemson game.

 

For some reason the voters sort of forgive certain team's really bad losses (Stanford, A&M, USC) while punishing not-so-bad losses for MSU and Wisconsin.

[Andy]

Im looking at it now though and the good loss @ ASU, the good loss @ OSU, and then impressive beat downs of Iowa and Northwestern and then the strong win vs BYU. I am a South Carolina fan, but I gotta say that Wisconsins resume is stronger than USC's at this point and the gamecocks are #10 in the BCS and likely to be #7 or #8 prior to the Clemson game.

 

For some reason the voters sort of forgive certain team's really bad losses (Stanford, A&M, USC) while punishing not-so-bad losses for MSU and Wisconsin.

2 of the 3 teams you listed have multiple impressive wins (Stanford over Oregon and ASU, South Carolina over Missouri and UCF [both on the road]), and the other - A&M - doesn't have a bad loss as both their defeats were to top 10 teams, albeit at home. As TT alluded to, MSU and Wisconsin are doubtless both good, but neither have any really impressive victories yet.

[NewUserName]

MSU missed both OSU and Wisconsin on the schedule this season. The lose to ND while they were still dicking around with Maxwell is going to hurt. Their big win (michigan) is looking less by the day. If they win out including wins at Nebraska and N'western and home against Minnesota they will be top 10 when they face OSU in the B1G championship game. So I am not worried about their ranking. If they lose along the way their ranking really will not matter because they would have no shot at a BCS game unless they still make it to the B1G championship game and win.

[Guest]

Im looking at it now though and the good loss @ ASU, the good loss @ OSU, and then impressive beat downs of Iowa and Northwestern and then the strong win vs BYU. I am a South Carolina fan, but I gotta say that Wisconsins resume is stronger than USC's at this point and the gamecocks are #10 in the BCS and likely to be #7 or #8 prior to the Clemson game.

 

For some reason the voters sort of forgive certain team's really bad losses (Stanford, A&M, USC) while punishing not-so-bad losses for MSU and Wisconsin.

 

This starts getting super subjective with this type of comparison and granularity, but in general teams seem to be rising for beating good teams. BYU and Iowa headlining your resume isn't much, even if the losses are understandable. Comparatively, South Carolina has wins at Mizzou and at UCF which both can be argued are better wins than anything Wisconsin has done.

 

In any case though, these types of debates on the teams from 10-20 will sort themselves out, and they'll ultimately make little difference in the end. None of them are in BCS contention unless crazy things happen or they clearly earn it by beating several good teams, and they aren't fighting each other for regular bowl bids(not that their ranking would matter for that anyway).

[Ryne Ween]

Understanding the subjectivity. But it does seem to matter a lot when Stanford shakes off a terrible loss to Utah (with little on the resume outside of the preseason positioning) and gets back to #5 in the BCS by holding serve home against UCLA and in corvalis.

 

Stanford will deserve to be top 5 if they beat USC this weekend but I dont think they will.

[GlassCow]

Been a rough year for my Huskers with our 4-year starter senior QB, junior WR/Punt Returner and three upper classmen (2 seniors and a junior) offensive linemen going down to injury. The losses were the usual embarrassment, as well as tape-gate coming out for Pelini. All that being said, this game against MSU is huge for us, and keep our divisional hopes alive. Go Big Red!

[NOLA]

Been a rough year for my Huskers with our 4-year starter senior QB, junior WR/Punt Returner and three upper classmen (2 seniors and a junior) offensive linemen going down to injury. The losses were the usual embarrassment, as well as tape-gate coming out for Pelini. All that being said, this game against MSU is huge for us, and keep our divisional hopes alive. Go Big Red!

 

Even so, what is Pelini's job security there? Furthermore, how does the Nebraska job measure up against other potential job openings?

At first glance:

1. Texas

2. USC

3. Florida

4. A&M (if Sumlin leaves)

5. Georgia

6. Nebraska (recruiting base hurts here)

If Michigan were to become open (doubtful) maybe put them at 3b?

[SouthSideRyan]

Nebraska is a better job than A&M and Georgia

[Guest]

I'd put the odds against either the aTm or Georgia gigs opening up, but they're both better than Nebraska. Better attendance and better conference(and therefore more revenue), more fertile recruiting territory, far more recent success, etc. I mentioned it in a different thread I believe, but there's really little difference between Nebraska and Iowa at this point as programs. That's not a slight against Iowa, it's a good and well-supported program that's had success, but it's at least a half-step down from a school like Georgia or aTm.

[NOLA]

Nebraska is a better job than A&M and Georgia

 

I tossed those 3 back and forth, but the fact that A&M has the state of Texas and Louisiana next door to recruit from makes that a better situation in my mind. Georgia? That's debatable. Nebraska largely has to recruit nationally to be successful because there isn't a regional recruiting base to count on, then couple that with the fact that Georgia is always on national TV. Most recruits don't even know who Tom Osborne is. Not trying to bash the program. Hell, I'd love for Arkansas to be anywhere near where Nebraska is.

[Guest]

At this time, Nebraska is not a better job than Georgia or Texas A&M.

[Ryne Ween]

I would think that the Michigan job, is as good as any job in the country and depending on fit could possibly compete with Texas for a candidate. Apparently, Texas' facilities rival the olympic training grounds at the height of East German power but the Michigan job should be competitive.

 

I think you are overrating the A&M job though and Sumlin should take what he can get before manziel leaves and the program returns to being mediocre.

[jersey cubs fan]

Better attendance and better conference(and therefore more revenue),

 

I thought revenue was due largely to the TV contract and that the Big Ten was a leader there, despite not performing on the field.

[rawaction]

I tossed those 3 back and forth, but the fact that A&M has the state of Texas and Louisiana next door to recruit from makes that a better situation in my mind. Georgia? That's debatable. Nebraska largely has to recruit nationally to be successful because there isn't a regional recruiting base to count on, then couple that with the fact that Georgia is always on national TV. Most recruits don't even know who Tom Osborne is. Not trying to bash the program. Hell, I'd love for Arkansas to be anywhere near where Nebraska is.

 

Did u do that on purpose? And yes I know it's "ON".

[Guest]

Better attendance and better conference(and therefore more revenue),

 

I thought revenue was due largely to the TV contract and that the Big Ten was a leader there, despite not performing on the field.

 

I was over-simplifying to be concise, but the SEC Network starts next fall and will change any advantage Nebraska has at present. The shortest version of my point is that there's nothing that Nebraska has or can offer that those two schools don't, and there are advantages on the aTm/Georgia side that Nebraska can't match.

[SouthSideRyan]

Kids didn't know who Bear Bryant was either. It takes a hell of a long time for a blueblood to be down before they lose their status. Nobody's choosing the Georgia or A&M job over the Nebraska job.

 

ETA: Maybe an SEC fanboy like TT would.

[Ryne Ween]

I have never been to college station but i have been to Houston and id rather live within 90 miles of Omaha than Houston. Id probably rather live anywhere else in the world than houston.

[shnsajax]

I have never been to college station but i have been to Houston and id rather live within 90 miles of Omaha than Houston. Id probably rather live anywhere else in the world than houston.

 

I would agree with this.

[GlassCow]

The general consensus is that if Pelini wins the division and gets us to the Big 10 title and beyond without major embarrassments, he'll be retained. If he is, he desperately needs to gut and redo the coaching staff. Your list is probably about on target.

 

Been a rough year for my Huskers with our 4-year starter senior QB, junior WR/Punt Returner and three upper classmen (2 seniors and a junior) offensive linemen going down to injury. The losses were the usual embarrassment, as well as tape-gate coming out for Pelini. All that being said, this game against MSU is huge for us, and keep our divisional hopes alive. Go Big Red!

 

Even so, what is Pelini's job security there? Furthermore, how does the Nebraska job measure up against other potential job openings?

At first glance:

1. Texas

2. USC

3. Florida

4. A&M (if Sumlin leaves)

5. Georgia

6. Nebraska (recruiting base hurts here)

If Michigan were to become open (doubtful) maybe put them at 3b?

[GlassCow]

I'd put the odds against either the aTm or Georgia gigs opening up, but they're both better than Nebraska. Better attendance and better conference(and therefore more revenue), more fertile recruiting territory, far more recent success, etc. I mentioned it in a different thread I believe, but there's really little difference between Nebraska and Iowa at this point as programs. That's not a slight against Iowa, it's a good and well-supported program that's had success, but it's at least a half-step down from a school like Georgia or aTm.

 

 

The attendance point is exaggerated. While Georgia kills both NU & A&M, A&M finished 11th and Nebraska 12th in average home attendance last season. This was before adding another 5-6k seats for this year and beyond. I know sold tickets and butts in seats aren't the same everywhere, but they have been in Lincoln since 1962 for an NCAA record 331 straight games. It is an even bigger disparity when considering the Huskers were 6th in overall attendance with over a million diehards buying tickets to see them home, neutral and away last season. Haters can bash NU for many things, but the fan base isn't one of them.

[Guest]

btw - welcome back, BrittleBovine!

[GlassCow]

Nebraska is a better job than A&M and Georgia

 

I tossed those 3 back and forth, but the fact that A&M has the state of Texas and Louisiana next door to recruit from makes that a better situation in my mind. Georgia? That's debatable. Nebraska largely has to recruit nationally to be successful because there isn't a regional recruiting base to count on, then couple that with the fact that Georgia is always on national TV. Most recruits don't even know who Tom Osborne is. Not trying to bash the program. Hell, I'd love for Arkansas to be anywhere near where Nebraska is.

 

Have you been happy with Bielema? I'm asking because he did good thing with Wiskey but I just never cared for him. The hire was a surprise to me. You are unfortunately right about my program - 97 was a long time ago.

[GlassCow]

btw - welcome back, BrittleBovine!

 

Thanks Tim! Been too long. I got to watch Bryant, Almora and Soler in a few AFL games out here and I'm finally excited about Cubs baseball again.

[Old Style]

I think you are overrating the A&M job though and Sumlin should take what he can get before manziel leaves and the program returns to being mediocre.

Everyone here knows my bias in this discussion but the recruiting classes that Sumlin is putting together are going to guarantee that we won't be a mediocre program anytime in the near future. Our QB recruiting has been especially great, while also adding a ton of much needed talent on the defensive side of the ball. The move to the SEC has been huge for him not to mention the renovation of Kyle Field which started Saturday night after the Mississippi State game ended. Our facilities may not top those of a school like Oregon but they won't be far behind. Without a doubt historically Nebraska & Georgia are much better jobs than A&M. But the discussion is for right now. I must admit that I am a bit concerned about him possibly leaving for an NFL gig, though.

 

As far as Houston goes, I echo the previous statements. I am not a fan of that city at all.

[Old Style]

The attendance point is exaggerated. While Georgia kills both NU & A&M, A&M finished 11th and Nebraska 12th in average home attendance last season.

FYI- Kyle Field will be at 102,500 when construction is finished for the 2015 season and season tickets have already sold out. It will actually be at 109K for next season.