2013/14 MLB offseason transactions

[jersey cubs fan]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking ban substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

The team didn't have to offer him that contract.

[Guest]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking banned substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective enough and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

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The biggest contributor to Peralta getting that deal is that owners are flush with money to spend on the team (except the Cubs, apparently). Blame the TV deal, etc.

[Guest]

If there are players mad that he got a big contract they need to back to the union. Taking PEDs is a calculated risk that some are willing to take. Right now the union is defending ARod. If the players wanted to get the drugs out they should vote for a lifetime ban.

[SouthSideRyan]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking banned substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective enough and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

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So does Brad Ziegler get to decide the max contract somebody suspended for PEDs gets to receive? Or do we need blood from the stone and ban guys for multiple seasons?

[Felix Leiter]

The Cardinals shed $40M+, so they have the $$$$. I always thought that Peralta's range at SS was average. I remember Steve Stone commenting he doesn't cover alot of ground. But it seems like they would move Carpenter to third and go all in with Kolten Wong at 2nd. Believe they needed to add some power and speed. They probably aren't done.

[jersey cubs fan]

If there are players mad that he got a big contract they need to back to the union. Taking PEDs is a calculated risk that some are willing to take. Right now the union is defending ARod. If the players wanted to get the drugs out they should vote for a lifetime ban.

 

I thought the union was kind of hanging ARod out to dry on his own.

[BeerHere]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking banned substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective enough and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

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So does Brad Ziegler get to decide the max contract somebody suspended for PEDs gets to receive? Or do we need blood from the stone and ban guys for multiple seasons?

I didn't say that and honestly I don't know what the answer is. Here is how it looks to me though, I could easily be wrong:

 

Player A is going into the final year of his contract. He decides to take the chance at getting caught and juices up to boost his numbers in that final year. It works but he does get caught. He apologizes and sits for the required 50 games, comes back that season, gets to play in the playoffs and signs a large contract that offseason with another contender. To me, it doesn't seem like the punishment was adequate. Like I said, I could be wrong, but the timing and the results cannot be argued. 50 games is probably not enough but I don't know what is nor do I know if the team, the Tigers in this case, shouldn't be forced to feel some of that pain too.

[imb]

I really don't care if PED punishments are harsh enough, to be honest. I doubt most people do.

[webjim25]

Its unlikely that he juiced ONLY in the final year of his contract. Using PEDs goes way back a looooong way. jhonny's likely been juicing all of his career....or at least half of it.

[mul21]

Its unlikely that he juiced ONLY in the final year of his contract. Using PEDs goes way back a looooong way. jhonny's likely been juicing all of his career....or at least half of it.

 

So Chris Duncan is a giant meathead and I take most of what he has to say with a grain of salt, but he did play in the bigs, with the Cardinals no less, so he probably has some perspective on this that most of us wouldn't. His thought today was that if Peralta was going to Bosch to get some sort of illegal undetectable steroid/supplement, should we really think that this is hist first foray into PEDs? I tend to agree with him and I hope he either gets suspended again, or better yet, he stops taking them and hits .210 for the next 4 years.

[webjim25]

that's what im saying. no way this is his first time taking peds this is simply his first time getting caught. baseball players are taking peds these days.....many of them. pro athletes have been doing this for ages. Canseco blew the lid off now all this limelight is shed on it....but its been happening. some just haven't gotten caught.

[Backtobanks]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking banned substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective enough and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

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So does Brad Ziegler get to decide the max contract somebody suspended for PEDs gets to receive? Or do we need blood from the stone and ban guys for multiple seasons?

I didn't say that and honestly I don't know what the answer is. Here is how it looks to me though, I could easily be wrong:

 

Player A is going into the final year of his contract. He decides to take the chance at getting caught and juices up to boost his numbers in that final year. It works but he does get caught. He apologizes and sits for the required 50 games, comes back that season, gets to play in the playoffs and signs a large contract that offseason with another contender. To me, it doesn't seem like the punishment was adequate. Like I said, I could be wrong, but the timing and the results cannot be argued. 50 games is probably not enough but I don't know what is nor do I know if the team, the Tigers in this case, shouldn't be forced to feel some of that pain too.

 

Unfortunately that's the penalty that's in place right now. That's why so many players and prospects are willing to take the chance of getting caught. The reward (increased production, big contract, etc.) certainly outweighs the risk (50 game suspension).

[Guest]

[expletive] steroid testing. Use all the PEDs.

[jersey cubs fan]

He did serve his 50 game suspension. He also signed a nice contract after that suspension. I'm playing devils-advocate here, but I think the real question is this - did taking banned substances contribute to the performance that got him that contract? If so, then I would say that the system/penalties aren't effective enough and likely won't stop the next guy, one year from free agency, from doing the same thing. Under the current system, did he pay his penalty? Yes he did.

 

ed: spelling

 

So does Brad Ziegler get to decide the max contract somebody suspended for PEDs gets to receive? Or do we need blood from the stone and ban guys for multiple seasons?

I didn't say that and honestly I don't know what the answer is. Here is how it looks to me though, I could easily be wrong:

 

Player A is going into the final year of his contract. He decides to take the chance at getting caught and juices up to boost his numbers in that final year. It works but he does get caught. He apologizes and sits for the required 50 games, comes back that season, gets to play in the playoffs and signs a large contract that offseason with another contender. To me, it doesn't seem like the punishment was adequate. Like I said, I could be wrong, but the timing and the results cannot be argued. 50 games is probably not enough but I don't know what is nor do I know if the team, the Tigers in this case, shouldn't be forced to feel some of that pain too.

 

The team is taking the risk. If he gets suspended again, the team takes a hit. If he just stops using and sucks, the team takes a hit. I don't see what your point is. If a guy gets caught today he can't sign another contract? He can only play for the minimum?

 

There's no point in fretting over it. The parties involved know the risks and have decided they are worth it. You aren't being wronged.

[Cubswin11]

[expletive] steroid testing. Use all the PEDs.

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[Guest]

@JonHeymanCBS

catcher George Kottaras has been traded to the #cubs

[Guest]

@JonHeymanCBS

catcher George Kottaras has been traded to the #cubs

Nice.

[Rob]

@JonHeymanCBS

catcher George Kottaras has been traded to the #cubs

 

Nice, assuming we didn't have to give up anything worthwhile.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That is some serious TTO

[bukie]

According to Sullivan, the trade was Kottaras for cash.

[Guest]

That is some serious TTO

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[BeerHere]

That is some serious TosTitOs

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He like chips and salsa.

[bukie]

Let the Summer of George begin.

[BeerHere]

aaand now I'm hungry

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That is some serious TTO

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Three True Outcomes. 56% of his PAs last year ended in BB, K or HR