Offseason Rumors

[Cubfanintheknow]

Since sports became a business where people expect to make money and generate revenue. Which is why Derek Jeter has made way more money in his career than his pure production would warrant. The MLB isn't roto baseball.

 

Since sports became a business where people expect to make money and generate revenue. Which is why Derek Jeter has made way more money in his career than his pure production would warrant. The MLB isn't roto baseball.

 

This isn't going to end well.

[Elrhino]

Since sports became a business where people expect to make money and generate revenue. Which is why Derek Jeter has made way more money in his career than his pure production would warrant. The MLB isn't roto baseball.

 

He got that contract because he played on the Yankees during their championship run. Not because of charisma.

 

MLB teams don't make money off charisma, they make money off television ratings and attendance, and that is correlated to winning. A superstar helps you win, which pays for itself. A charismatic personality does very little for the bottom line.

 

Lots of guys played on the Yankees during that Championship Run, they didn't all get grossly overpaid. Jeter got a 10 year, $190 million dollar contrat because he was "The Captain" and every 8 year old kid in the city was wearing his jersey and had his poster up on the wall.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Trout hits FA at 26......15/450?

 

This isn't serious is it?

Doesn't seem too far off to me if Trout continues his pace (which would make him one of the greatest players of all-time at the age of 26).

 

As good of a pure baseball player as Trout is, I don't see him being the iconic marketing superstar and revenue magnet that someone is going to pay half a billion dollars for. Nice kid, but not exactly dripping with charisma and personality.

 

Since when do transcendentally great players get huge contracts for their charisma and personality. dafuq?

 

They get their contracts for their speed

[RynoRules]

Since sports became a business where people expect to make money and generate revenue. Which is why Derek Jeter has made way more money in his career than his pure production would warrant. The MLB isn't roto baseball.

 

He got that contract because he played on the Yankees during their championship run. Not because of charisma.

 

MLB teams don't make money off charisma, they make money off television ratings and attendance, and that is correlated to winning. A superstar helps you win, which pays for itself. A charismatic personality does very little for the bottom line.

 

Having both is nice. Worked for Sammy.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Jeter made 132.2 mil from 2002-2008. Fangraphs has his estimated value at that time in dollars as 111.3 mil. It's not like that's a huge chasm over 7 years of a contract.

 

If you think he made the extra 20 million from charisma, lol.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

And the first player to get an 8 figure contract was Kevin [expletive] Brown.

[Guest]

I honestly can't even believe this conversation is a thing right now.

[Elrhino]

If Trout hits FA at 26......15/450?

 

This isn't serious is it?

Doesn't seem too far off to me if Trout continues his pace (which would make him one of the greatest players of all-time at the age of 26).

 

As good of a pure baseball player as Trout is, I don't see him being the iconic marketing superstar and revenue magnet that someone is going to pay half a billion dollars for. Nice kid, but not exactly dripping with charisma and personality.

If you sign him through his age 41/42 season and he continues on his relative path you presumably have him while he's chasing 500-600+ career HR's, 3,000+ hits, and becoming one of the all time WAR leaders (which should be a bigger/more known and widely accepted metric by then). There's plenty of marketing potential in there. Not to mention you have one of the best players of all time during most or all of his prime, I'd hope/think there are a few winning seasons/deep playoff runs in there that obviously increases revenue.

 

If you have one of the best players in your sport you are going to get endorsements even if they aren't overly charismatic, look at Rose.

 

Of course you're going to get at least some endorsements if you're good enough, the question is if you get enough to recoup a half a billion dollar contract. No player alone is going to provide a half a billion dollars worth of baseball production. Mike Trout's teams have stunk the last two years. If you're paying a half a billion dollars for a player, you're going to expect to get an iconic personality that people personally pay to come to the ballpark to watch and who TV broadcasters are going to want to pay a lot to money for the rights to broadcast. Right now, Puig is more of that guy in the LA area than Trout is, even if Trout is the vastly superior player.

[Guest]

 

Of course you're going to get at least some endorsements if you're good enough, the question is if you get enough to recoup a half a billion dollar contract. No player alone is going to provide a half a billion dollars worth of baseball production alone. Mike Trout's teams have stunk the last two years. You're going to expect to get an iconic personality that people personally pay to watch, and who TV broadcasters are going to want to pay a lot to money to broadcast them because they bring eyeballs to TV sets. Right now, Puig is more of that guy in the LA area than Trout is, even if Trout is the vastly superior player.

 

Um, yeah. That's probably wrong.

 

And I have no idea what Mike Trout's teams have to do with it.

 

And the rest is just pure nonsense and the point about Puig is made even dumber by what you said about Trout's teams. Puig is popular because he's on the more popular team that happens to be much better, too.

Edited October 23, 2013 by David

[SABR Gamer]

 

This isn't serious is it?

Doesn't seem too far off to me if Trout continues his pace (which would make him one of the greatest players of all-time at the age of 26).

 

As good of a pure baseball player as Trout is, I don't see him being the iconic marketing superstar and revenue magnet that someone is going to pay half a billion dollars for. Nice kid, but not exactly dripping with charisma and personality.

If you sign him through his age 41/42 season and he continues on his relative path you presumably have him while he's chasing 500-600+ career HR's, 3,000+ hits, and becoming one of the all time WAR leaders (which should be a bigger/more known and widely accepted metric by then). There's plenty of marketing potential in there. Not to mention you have one of the best players of all time during most or all of his prime, I'd hope/think there are a few winning seasons/deep playoff runs in there that obviously increases revenue.

 

If you have one of the best players in your sport you are going to get endorsements even if they aren't overly charismatic, look at Rose.

 

Of course you're going to get at least some endorsements if you're good enough, the question is if you get enough to recoup a half a billion dollar contract. No player alone is going to provide a half a billion dollars worth of baseball production. Mike Trout's teams have stunk the last two years. If you're paying a half a billion dollars for a player, you're going to expect to get an iconic personality that people personally pay to come to the ballpark to watch and who TV broadcasters are going to want to pay a lot to money for the rights to broadcast. Right now, Puig is more of that guy in the LA area than Trout is, even if Trout is the vastly superior player.

 

Dude, you are just really wrong on this one, like REALLY wrong.

 

Why don't we have a bet on who will get paid more between Trout and Puig, lol, because your logic suggests Puig will.

[Guest]

This isn't serious is it?

Doesn't seem too far off to me if Trout continues his pace (which would make him one of the greatest players of all-time at the age of 26).

 

As good of a pure baseball player as Trout is, I don't see him being the iconic marketing superstar and revenue magnet that someone is going to pay half a billion dollars for. Nice kid, but not exactly dripping with charisma and personality.

If you sign him through his age 41/42 season and he continues on his relative path you presumably have him while he's chasing 500-600+ career HR's, 3,000+ hits, and becoming one of the all time WAR leaders (which should be a bigger/more known and widely accepted metric by then). There's plenty of marketing potential in there. Not to mention you have one of the best players of all time during most or all of his prime, I'd hope/think there are a few winning seasons/deep playoff runs in there that obviously increases revenue.

 

If you have one of the best players in your sport you are going to get endorsements even if they aren't overly charismatic, look at Rose.

 

Of course you're going to get at least some endorsements if you're good enough, the question is if you get enough to recoup a half a billion dollar contract. No player alone is going to provide a half a billion dollars worth of baseball production. Mike Trout's teams have stunk the last two years. If you're paying a half a billion dollars for a player, you're going to expect to get an iconic personality that people personally pay to come to the ballpark to watch and who TV broadcasters are going to want to pay a lot to money for the rights to broadcast. Right now, Puig is more of that guy in the LA area than Trout is, even if Trout is the vastly superior player.

 

The Dodgers are always going to be the bigger, more popular team in LA. They have a bigger fan base as actually play in the city (and closer to more people in the metropolitan area).

[Elrhino]

 

Why don't we have a bet on who will get paid more between Trout and Puig, lol, because your logic suggests Puig will.

 

Puig will get paid closer to what Trout will make than he otherwise should becuase of the other factors. I know people want to think that Major League Baseball is just a glorified version of their college dorm roto-league, but there's really more to it.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Elrhino

[jersey cubs fan]

If you are paying top dollar for a player, you want more charisma than baseball playing ability.

 

 

That's just a fact.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the question then follows, is the new market inefficiency that charisma is currently being underpaid, and the Cubs will be going after a lot of outgoing players?

[SABR Gamer]

So the question then follows, is the new market inefficiency that charisma is currently being underpaid, and the Cubs will be going after a lot of outgoing players?

 

No, we need to start signing all the really boring players because we will get them cheaper.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the question then follows, is the new market inefficiency that charisma is currently being underpaid, and the Cubs will be going after a lot of outgoing players?

 

No, we need to start signing all the really boring players because we will get them cheaper.

 

That is a good point.

[Cubswin11]

Hopefully Mike Trout stumbles upon this thread and learns he needs to tune his game to be less dependent on speed and has to hire a group of life coaches, psychologists, sociologists, and just generally charismatic and outgoing people to teach him how to better improve his introverted personality. Or else he's never getting that big contract if he keeps doing what he does.

[sneakypower]

i started trying to determine exactly how much value Trout has delivered just on speed alone, and i immediately quit upon realizing it was higher than any Cubs position player produced on the whole

[Cubswin11]

So the question then follows, is the new market inefficiency that charisma is currently being underpaid, and the Cubs will be going after a lot of outgoing players?

Follow up to the follow up, if Trout hits FA at age 26 and he still is as good or even better than the player he is now with no signs of slowing down what is a fair contract then if 15/450 is just too much for an introverted, speed dependent player?

[Guest]

For reference, by today's standards, Trout's first two seasons have been worth like $130-140M. LOL.

[davell]

Damn, I posted those numbers thinking I'd be fairly close if he DID hit the open market at 26. Personality has zero to do with my thinking. But you'd almost have to give out the long ass deal like that, in my mind. You could defer some or whatever, but even at those figures, he'd provide excess value for half the deal or so, based on what he's doing now.

 

I figure the power would go up, he likely steals less, but the D still is excellent. Iconic personality? David summed it up best with "dafuq", if you ask me.

[davell]

So the question then follows, is the new market inefficiency that charisma is currently being underpaid, and the Cubs will be going after a lot of outgoing players?

I just saw the lightbulb in Hendry 's head flicker.

[imb]

the new market inefficiency is hard working guys with part-time second jobs

[Hairyducked Idiot]

the new market inefficiency is hard working guys with part-time second jobs

 

Please do not give Ricketts any ideas. Also, I think that was the original market inefficiency, like back in the Al Spalding days.

[Cubfanintheknow]

the new market inefficiency is hard working guys with part-time second jobs

 

Please do not give Ricketts any ideas. Also, I think that was the original market inefficiency, like back in the Al Spalding days.

 

Richie "Gravedigger" Hebner came to mind immediately.