Yankees Sign Masahiro Tanaka

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2h

Sources: #Yankees separated themselves on Tanaka, but not by much. #Cubs, #Dodgers, #WhiteSox and #Astros all were involved.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't blame them for not convincing Tanaka to sign.

 

I blame them for doing such a poor job with the MLB team the last three years that not signing him hurts this badly.

[davell]

Great. You pay Tanaka $225m and I'll pay Mad Max $150m.

 

Look, we missed out on the prom queen and that sucks. But it'd be great if we could have 1-2 posts of ridiculous before we move on rather than 10 pages of it. There are other fish in the sea. If 2014 shows that some of our top prospects are ready to produce in 2015, I'll be as furious as any of you if we don't make some major moves to contend in 2015. But we made the best offer to the best FA and he decided to go somewhere else. What the [expletive] do you want?

 

 

Our front office has consistently been philosophically opposed to signing pitchers Max Scherzer's age that kind of money. It's not happening.

 

I think they know that when they have no other options, they're smart enough to do it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

You're going to waste your 20 posts a day making an ass of yourself?

 

For a guy who has no interest in doing this, you sure do keep coming back for more. Wanna go make out?

[Guest]

Depressing article from Jonah Keri on what the next move for the runners up should be since they missed out on Tanaka: http://grantland.com/features/well-they-couldnt-all-have-him/

 

They're not going to get Jiminez or Santana but they really need to add another arm instead of doing nothing.

[Tracer Bullet]

Great. You pay Tanaka $225m and I'll pay Mad Max $150m.

 

Look, we missed out on the prom queen and that sucks. But it'd be great if we could have 1-2 posts of ridiculous before we move on rather than 10 pages of it. There are other fish in the sea. If 2014 shows that some of our top prospects are ready to produce in 2015, I'll be as furious as any of you if we don't make some major moves to contend in 2015. But we made the best offer to the best FA and he decided to go somewhere else. What the [expletive] do you want?

 

 

Our front office has consistently been philosophically opposed to signing pitchers Max Scherzer's age that kind of money. It's not happening.

 

I think that their position on THAT type of free agent depends on where they are in the timeline.

 

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

That's right.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Great. You pay Tanaka $225m and I'll pay Mad Max $150m.

 

Look, we missed out on the prom queen and that sucks. But it'd be great if we could have 1-2 posts of ridiculous before we move on rather than 10 pages of it. There are other fish in the sea. If 2014 shows that some of our top prospects are ready to produce in 2015, I'll be as furious as any of you if we don't make some major moves to contend in 2015. But we made the best offer to the best FA and he decided to go somewhere else. What the [expletive] do you want?

 

 

Our front office has consistently been philosophically opposed to signing pitchers Max Scherzer's age that kind of money. It's not happening.

 

I think they know that when they have no other options, they're smart enough to do it.

 

Their other option is *always* there: Pass on the offseason and point to how many prospects they have.

[sneakypower]

Regarding Tanaka, Well he took what he deemed was the best offer, so for starters I wanted to make the actual best offer

this is so stupidly simplistic; for all we know the city's limited relative Japanese community could have played a critical role (Thanks, Theo!)

[Guest]

 

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

Without Tanaka, we're not in point B to point C mode next offseason without hitting like the 95th percentile of our development projection.

 

Depends on the TV deal too.

 

It really doesn't. We proved this offseason yet again that it doesn't matter how much money we have to spend: We aren't targetting multiple post-prime FAs even if we can afford it.

 

point b to point c might be an oversimplification... I do think a year from now, given half the core prospects likely having at least tasted the major leagues and the other half hopefully being a couple of good months in Iowa away, is a much different stage than they're at now.

[treebird]

You don't get to decide what offer Tanaka takes. We gave him the same out clause. We offered him more money. We can't move the team to New York and have a couple dozen titles. Tell me, how would you have changed the offer? $300m for 2 years? Your name or your brains will be on this contract? You're bitching at the FO because a player wanted to play somewhere else for less money.

 

i like the your name or your brains thing a lot.

 

that said, the real argument is probably that this is why it's stupid to put your whole offseason on the hopes that you can sign one guy, especially if you've turned yourself into a hilarious joke team that no one wants to play for given any other options.

[jersey cubs fan]

Great. You pay Tanaka $225m and I'll pay Mad Max $150m.

 

What the hell does $225m have to do with it?

[Guest]

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

They've missed on Cespedes, Darvish, Ryu and Tanaka. There's no guarantee at all that they'll sign free agents entering their prime "any and every day."

 

And they missed on Tanaka despite planning their whole offseason around signing him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Point b to point c might be an oversimplification... I do think a year from now, given half the core prospects likely having at least tasted the major leagues and the other half hopefully being a couple of good months in Iowa away, is a much different stage than they're at now.

 

The aging curve of pitchers won't be any later. And refusing to budge despite the circumstances is something this front office revels in.

 

One pitcher? Yeah, maybe. Multiple big-time pieces, which is what it probably takes? Nope.

[Brian]

I can't wait till somebody reports that the Cubs offer was actually really low, so we can take that as fact and add it to the general rage.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't blame them for not convincing Tanaka to sign.

 

I blame them for doing such a poor job with the MLB team the last three years that not signing him hurts this badly.

 

Yeah, in a lot of ways it's like how poorly Hendry botched the OF situation in the early 00's which pretty much forced them to sign Soriano. It's not the missed signing that's the issue, it's the position where they have put the team.

 

You can choose to cheat the prospect building game by tanking games, but you can't then hide from the fact that you have a crappy team as a result.

[d_money]

I think it really fuckin sucks that the Cubs are gonna blow for the next x # of years and still have the highest ticket prices in the MLB.

 

Not getting Tanaka is a culmination of a lot of bad [expletive] that hasn't gone right the last few years. From the renovation / dealing with local politics, the Cubs wanting to spend their own $, limited payroll for a big market team, tv deal, rooftop owners [expletive], etc..

 

I need a therapist.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

You're going to waste your 20 posts a day making an ass of yourself?

 

For a guy who has no interest in doing this, you sure do keep coming back for more. Wanna go make out?

 

Normal people don't turn to weird sexual advances.

[A New Era]

Kyle, your Theo link now makes me laugh real hard, but a few seconds later sob like a baby. :)

[Guest]

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

They've missed on Cespedes, Darvish, Ryu and Tanaka. There's no guarantee at all that they'll sign free agents entering their prime "any and every day."

 

wrong contraction

 

would not will

[Tracer Bullet]

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

They've missed on Cespedes, Darvish, Ryu and Tanaka. There's no guarantee at all that they'll sign free agents entering their prime "any and every day."

 

Of course not. They're free agents. There's no guarantee that they'll sign any ever. But they've demonstrated a willingness to offer very big, competitive (sometimes the highest) bids to these types of FAs. They can't force people to sign contracts

[jersey cubs fan]

Tanakas they'll sign any and every day (if only it were that easy)...I don't think they'd rule out big money to a 30 year old pitcher if they're in point B to point C mode.

 

They've missed on Cespedes, Darvish, Ryu and Tanaka. There's no guarantee at all that they'll sign free agents entering their prime "any and every day."

 

Of course not. They're free agents. There's no guarantee that they'll sign any ever. But they've demonstrated a willingness to offer very big, competitive (sometimes the highest) bids to these types of FAs. They can't force people to sign contracts

 

They can do a better job of not offering up a terrible team for those free agents to play for.

[Omar]

I hope Tanaka blows junks and this turns out to be a horrible signing by the Yankees.

 

WORSE than A-Rod's re-signing.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

While it may be simplistic to say we look like a low 70's win team in 2014, there are too many guys we just don't know what to expect from, to make it easy to figure what positions we'll even be targeting.

 

I think it's pretty easy to look at the organization and say we'll need to target ofers and starting pitchers. Very little can happen in 14 that would make me think otherwise

Starting pitching, sure, I'll give you that. Outfielders? What if Olt looks solid at 3B, or Villanueva, for that matter? KB comes up as a RFer, because he's not nearly as good at 3B as either of them. If Soler and Almora both look to be mid 2015 callups and are both top 20 prospects still, are you considering the OF as a bigtime hole? I have no issue trading Alcantara and Vogelbach for an OFer, even in this situation, but I think I'd prefer dealing them for a SP instead.

 

If Olt/Villanueva have solidified 3B, Baez is manning 2B and Bryant has RF covered all during this coming season, then I'm damn sure going to try to win in '15 and don't care about having one sport for Almora and Soler.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SouthSideRyan

[jersey cubs fan]

I hope Tanaka blows junks and this turns out to be a horrible signing by the Yankees.

 

WORSE than A-Rod's re-signing.

 

Since MLB bailed out the Yankees that resigning doesn't even look all that bad.

[SouthSideRyan]

We gave him the same out clause. We offered him more money.

 

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