2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[jersey cubs fan]

he sounds like a huge ass

 

Sounds like a typical 18 year old athlete who is just realizing he's not a superstar.

 

eh, being drafted will only encourage him

 

if he was going to juco and not getting a football scholarship and only taken in the 9th round, I'm guessing it's been a somewhat humbling year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Very impressed that we managed to get 4 top 100 guys in the first 4 rounds. Chances we sign all 4?

[craig]

Very impressed that we managed to get 4 top 100 guys in the first 4 rounds. Chances we sign all 4?

 

100%

[Guest]

he sounds like a huge ass

 

Sounds like a typical 18 year old athlete who is just realizing he's not a superstar.

 

eh, being drafted will only encourage him

 

if he was going to juco and not getting a football scholarship and only taken in the 9th round, I'm guessing it's been a somewhat humbling year.

With a name like Chancer he was doomed from the beginning. Pure redneck.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

he sounds like a huge ass

 

Sounds like a typical 18 year old athlete who is just realizing he's not a superstar.

 

eh, being drafted will only encourage him

 

if he was going to juco and not getting a football scholarship and only taken in the 9th round, I'm guessing it's been a somewhat humbling year.

With a name like Chancer he was doomed from the beginning. Pure redneck.

I believe he is black.

[ctcf]

Zack Godley - RHP - Tennessee

 

BA's 487

[davell]

Zachary Godley of UT. Only senior we took. RHP.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Another big guy 6'3 235

[jersey cubs fan]

With a name like Chancer he was doomed from the beginning. Pure redneck.

I believe he is black.

 

And I believe the name is Charcer, which does sound like something some redneck would name their kid.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Love, Love, Love it. All college arms, with physical tools to fill out and only a 2-3 year wait on them to see if they can play.

[davell]

He is black. Without knowing anything whatsoever about the kid, I guess its possible he's related to Ellis Burks. No clue of any ties Ellis has to Texas, other than going to college in the state.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Does it make you guys feel better to pick on a poor kids first name?

[jersey cubs fan]

Does it make you guys feel better to pick on a poor kids first name?

 

No, it makes me ill to see it in print.

[davell]

The Astros took Austin Nicely in the 10th. He's definitely a tough sign, committed to UVA. They also took a HS C earlier in the day(Jake Nottingham) that could require some above slot money. This means they expect to sign Appel under slot or else they wouldn't have spent those picks that way. To me, thats a good sign that we'll be able to spend some extra money as well and I'm not sure we've taken anyone else thats going to need above slot to sign. Maybe Masek, but its also possible that Zastryzny or the BYU guy come in under slot.

 

Kiley still says we're connected to Eicholtz, said he didn't know if we'd have enough money to make a run at any of Jones, Serrano, Sheffield, or Whitson or not.

[craig]

The Astros took Austin Nicely in the 10th. He's definitely a tough sign, committed to UVA. They also took a HS C earlier in the day(Jake Nottingham) that could require some above slot money. This means they expect to sign Appel under slot or else they wouldn't have spent those picks that way. To me, thats a good sign that we'll be able to spend some extra money as well and I'm not sure we've taken anyone else thats going to need above slot to sign. Maybe Masek, but its also possible that Zastryzny or the BYU guy come in under slot.

 

Kiley still says we're connected to Eicholtz, said he didn't know if we'd have enough money to make a run at any of Jones, Serrano, Sheffield, or Whitson or not.

 

I assume that Serrano and Jones are totally off bounds. No idea how much Sheffield or Whitson are asking.

 

I assume the Cubs are doing some accounting to figure out how much they'll need to spend to cover the guys taken thus far, and then doing a whole bunch of phone-calling to players they like who are still out there.

 

Not sure how much they've got left, but it could still be pretty substantial. I wouldn't be surprised if Frazier or Masek might be overslot guys to varying degree. Still, I assume they've got something to work with.

 

My guess is that it won't go all to one superslot, one $1.5 million type guy. But rather that they'd have several guys more in the Eicholtz type category, guys who might not sign for $100K, but might for $250 or $425 or something. I'm hoping they can add several more guys who could have been legit 4th-5th round type picks, and who have the potential to perhaps blossom into really good players.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Godley? Sold.l

[Guest]

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Love, Love, Love it. All college arms, with physical tools to fill out and only a 2-3 year wait on them to see if they can play.

 

Spoiler alert:

 

 

Almost none of them can. Maybe one or two if we're really lucky.

 

[Guest]

yea kyle, we know that your new thing is hating pitching prospects. you've made that clear on multiple forums

[toonsterwu]

Random Thoughts on What I Missed:

 

- As a total side note, I'm pissed the Astros took Austin Nicely. UVA didn't need him next year (not really), but I wanted him 2-3 years down the line. I hope they don't sign him, but taking him in the top 10 rounds, I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't sign.

 

- So ... the Cubs went after pitching. In some respects, this feels like a McLeod draft, and in some respects, this sort of feels like a Wilken draft (2008 Cubs, 2005 Rays ... sorta). To be honest, the differences between McLeod and Wilken were never that huge, particularly on the pitching side. I think the 2008 draft holds some similarities - a lot of college arms, some relatively raw college arms. No one drafted really seems to have huge ceiling, but it's a draft that should add some needed pitching depth to the system.

 

- Not flashy is not bad. I'm not going to be super-excited about this crop, but it's not a bad draft. It seems like they held to the idea that I suggested, that the depth of the draft meant punting picks didn't make sense if it was to gamble on tough sign prep kids. One could make the argument that if you cross out the tough signs that haven't been picked and the top tier college pitching, there wasn't a ton of exciting pitching ceiling in this draft.

 

- jcf noted it a few pages back, but we've had problems developing positional players for so long. Look, I'm not going to suddenly change my opinion to toe the company line, so to speak, and I'm still a bit disappointed in Bryant over Gray. That said, we have a really exciting positional core to develop in the minors right now. If Baez stays at short, you give Bryant every chance to stick at 3rd. If Baez has to move to 3rd, then you have a ridiculously awesome OF to potentially hope on (Bryant/Almora/Soler). These aren't bad problems to have, considering our recent history with positional assets. Furthermore, with the elite guys often being signed down earlier these days, we often focus on how tough it is to get top pitching, but the same holds true for getting top hitting. If the FO holds to the idea that they aren't going to pay for past success, then getting our own impact bats is key. If they are right about Hanneman, and he's more Ellsbury than Szczur, then that's an exciting asset to have. If everyone develops, and the chances of that are slim, but if they do, that's awesome excess to move around.

 

- I have wondered about the FO's long view of things. Epstein's repeatedly noted the financial side of things, and I wonder if this is more a long game to them, for lack of a better term right now. I wonder if this draft pushes us away from the Ellsbury and Choo's of the world this offseason. Although ...

 

- With increasing focus on defense, folks like TT have noted how Bosio has increased the GB rates. Perhaps they are playing to Wrigley and playing to the fact that getting elite pitching is tough.

 

- As for my top 10 right now, I'm going with what I said in a minor league thread if the Cubs picked Bryant, with 8 on very fluid.

 

1. Soler - Bat is just that much more polished right now.

2. Baez - Position value gets the bump for me. His power ceiling is close to Bryant's, and both have some questions.

3. Bryant - Power potential and perceived polish as a college bat get the nod over Almora.

4. Almora - I can see an argument for him at 2.

5. Alcantara - Can see Pierce Johnson here as well.

6. Johnson

7. Vogelbach

8. Zastryzny- Polished lefty with some ceiling.

9/10 - Some combination of Vizcaino/Candelario/Cabrera/Szczur as of now.

Edited June 7, 2013 by toonsterwu

[Hairyducked Idiot]

yea kyle, we know that your new thing is hating pitching prospects. you've made that clear on multiple forums

 

This isn't hating pitching prospects. This is hating all prospects not drafted in the first, *maybe* the second round.

 

From 2002-2011, Theo's Red Sox, the uberdrafting machine that we all love them for, took 71 players in the third through 10th rounds.

 

4 of those 71 became useful major leaguers, less than one every other year. And that's using a pretty generous definition of useful.

 

The draft provides a fun break in the middle of a boring, frustrating season, but let's be realistic about what happened today. We drafted a big pile of roster-fill so we could field teams and join leagues to give Bryant somewhere to play until he's ready to be in the majors.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you are going to hate on the non first rounders then don't hedge and only list 3-10. And don't just list guys who became useful major leaguers, what about guys used in trades for useful players?

 

The point is the cubs just stocked a pitching thin system with college arms.

 

And for Christs sake stop acting like you are breaking news here. Everybody know the attrition rates. Everybody know a top 10 isn't going to produce all major leaguers, let alone the top 30.

 

The cubs added players that added to the organization.

[Guest]

haha, kyle's esoteric epiphany.

[RammyFanny]

Bryant interview with @thekapman.

 

http://wgnradio.com/2013/06/07/cubs-1-pick-joins-sports-night/

 

And for shits and giggles, Steve Stone says he expects the Cubs to trade Starlin Castro because they chose Kris Bryant... :roll: .

 

https://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/cubs-kris-bryant-addresses-media

 

Link is weird, but find Stone's mug in the video options at the bottom if it doesn't take you there.

[davell]

Looking over the picks individually, unless Bryant is taking quite a bit under slot, I'm not seeing us have enough money to go get a bigtime over slot that is still on the board. Maybe Nick Eicholtz is a possibility, but I'm not seeing enough perceived money available to sign a mill+ type.