2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[ctcf]

Trey Masek ‏@treymasek 13h

Good luck finding a show out there better than Criminal Minds.

 

People with terrible entertainment tastes are the new market inefficiency.

 

Guess I'm pretty lucky then.

[Guest]

Masek: 79 IP, 1.82 ERA, 56 H, 69/22 K/BB, 0 HR, 3 CG in 11 GS

[Guest]

He had some rotator cuff tendinitis, missed about a month earlier in the season. Understand why he dropped, but a solid risk at this stage.

 

a sub 1 whip in his last year with less than 9k/9. does he get a lot of ground balls?

[Elrhino]

Shameless puff piece video.

 

[toonsterwu]

Random thoughts:

 

a - The only thing that bothers me about the Hanneman pick is that ... well, CF isn't that big an issue. That said, you should never draft on need, so if they really felt he was the best, okay.

 

b - Hanneman sorts of fits into a mold in my head on a McLeod/Hoyer/Epstein pick ... the Bruno/Pedroia/Spangenberg/Gyorko types ... "scrappy" looking guys who can hit, for lack of a better way to quickly say it right now. Actually, Hanneman really reminds me of Spangenberg offensively, which might not be a good thing since I didn't like Spangenberg.

 

c - Perhaps they really are just going slot. It isn't "fun", but in a mediocre draft, building up depth isn't the worst idea. Of course, that begs the question, where is the pitching coming from. It's not a bad draft, but I think a lot of us were hoping for flashy.

 

d - Perhaps we aren't judging costs correctly. It's possible that Bryant is going to need full-slot. Zastryzny could be a close to full slot guy as well, and it sounds like Hanneman won't leave unless it's close to slot. Or ... perhaps the Cubs are worried that Bryant is going to take a long time to get done, so they won't have a real good idea on costs. I mean ... it's possible we aren't really saving much so far.

 

e - I do expect them, as Raisin notes, to pop an over-slot attempt after the 10th. If they don't get it, oh well.

 

f - You know, it's never really been cool to say it, because there was so much hype with McLeod coming, but I said it last year ... his drafts in San Diego weren't that impressive. Of course, every scouting director will have a bad/down drafts.

 

g - I do like Skulina in the 4th a fair amount, and for a 5th round pick, Masek looks fine.

[Guest]

Shameless puff piece video.

 

 

looks like Roy Oswalt alittle bit.

[Guest]

i like the fact that these are all college guys, so we don't have to wait a million years.

[Cubswin11]

ABTY with two interesting notes, on strategy going forward

 

Hearing under slot on rd 2/3 was to avoid doing so rds 6-10 when many other teams will be doing so... Look for talent grab next five picks...

 

On Bryant

 

Cubs will try to save 250K- sounds as if solid slot will do it though...

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Of course, that begs the question, where is the pitching coming from.

 

That seems like it's going to be *the* question for awhile now. We've got a league-average (slightly better even) offense in the majors, plenty of interesting young-ish MLB position players and a ton of top hitting prospects. But the pitching is very thin after the immediate major leaguers.

[EhDubya]

Tyler Skulina ‏@tskully31 27 May

Gotta see the purge when it comes out #interesting

 

Ewww. Bust.

 

 

What does this mean?

 

movie looks dumb

 

Ah, had no idea we were talking about a movie (was afraid he was talking about his... little Tyler). The Purge? Never heard of it

Edited June 7, 2013 by EhDubya

[Guest]

@KendallRogersPG: #Cubs take #TexasTech RHP Trey Masek in the fifth round. Masek's injury earlier this year hurt him, but has a big FB. Some deception.

[Guest]

He had some rotator cuff tendinitis, missed about a month earlier in the season. Understand why he dropped, but a solid risk at this stage.

 

a sub 1 whip in his last year with less than 9k/9. does he get a lot of ground balls?

 

From glancing at a couple box scores, yes, it looks like it.

[Guest]

ABTY with two interesting notes, on strategy going forward

 

Hearing under slot on rd 2/3 was to avoid doing so rds 6-10 when many other teams will be doing so... Look for talent grab next five picks...

 

On Bryant

 

Cubs will try to save 250K- sounds as if solid slot will do it though...

 

First quote is very interesting.

[davell]

After getting freaked out with the Mormon, I've liked everything else. Toonster, I definitely think we'll take one of the major over slot types in the 11th. They probably are playing it safe with not knowing exactly where they stand with Bryant. Houston appears to be doing the same. I just can't imagine Boras getting full slot for either guy.

[pitchcs]

Masek's fastball looks like it has a lot of late life on it.

[OleMissCub]

Bryant on mlbn now

[davell]

Of course, that begs the question, where is the pitching coming from.

 

That seems like it's going to be *the* question for awhile now. We've got a league-average (slightly better even) offense in the majors, plenty of interesting young-ish MLB position players and a ton of top hitting prospects. But the pitching is very thin after the immediate major leaguers.

 

Try to send multiple players out in trades(DeJesus/Feldman package?) to get best pitching prospect(s) we can?

[Elrhino]

He had some rotator cuff tendinitis, missed about a month earlier in the season. Understand why he dropped, but a solid risk at this stage.

 

a sub 1 whip in his last year with less than 9k/9. does he get a lot of ground balls?

 

He didn't serve up a single HR last year, so it appears he keeps things low in the zone.

[toonsterwu]

ABTY with two interesting notes, on strategy going forward

 

Hearing under slot on rd 2/3 was to avoid doing so rds 6-10 when many other teams will be doing so... Look for talent grab next five picks...

 

On Bryant

 

Cubs will try to save 250K- sounds as if solid slot will do it though...

 

First quote is very interesting.

 

If this ABTY person is correct, then it sounds like what I've been saying. In a mediocre top end of the draft, what you end up having, in any sports draft, is a lot of guys bottled up closely afterwards. I can think of a few guys that are supposedly 6th-10th round guys that really aren't that far in talent from some of the guys going in the 3rd-4th. They could very well look at this draft as a way to build up depth in the system. Granted, one could argue that we had depth and needed ceiling, but perhaps they think we needed depth as well.

[Guest]

Of course, that begs the question, where is the pitching coming from.

 

That seems like it's going to be *the* question for awhile now. We've got a league-average (slightly better even) offense in the majors, plenty of interesting young-ish MLB position players and a ton of top hitting prospects. But the pitching is very thin after the immediate major leaguers.

 

it's not like they have to fill 25 spots at the ML level with pitchers, middle relievers can come from anywhere and give you anything. they've got potential rotation guys with Johnson and Vizcaino, with Blackburn and Underwood at lower levels right now. meanwhile, they have Jackson, Wood, Garza (if they want him), and Shark at the major league level, which could be the meat of their rotation for 3-4 years if they so desire. plug Johnson or Vizcaino in if all goes well and you really don't have to develop a million arms each year.

[toonsterwu]

Of course, that begs the question, where is the pitching coming from.

 

That seems like it's going to be *the* question for awhile now. We've got a league-average (slightly better even) offense in the majors, plenty of interesting young-ish MLB position players and a ton of top hitting prospects. But the pitching is very thin after the immediate major leaguers.

 

Try to send multiple players out in trades(DeJesus/Feldman package?) to get best pitching prospect(s) we can?

 

I still question if whether or not any of our chips, even bundled together, could really bring back high ceiling pitching prospects. Still, accumulating a bunch of solid guys is needed. Or we could take another gamble. He gets bashed a lot ... but maybe they decide to try and gamble on (just picking a name) a Jake Arrieta type. Dunno ... or maybe they decide they are going to focus on defense and grab a bunch of ground ball folks in the short term.

[OleMissCub]

Wahl's Ole Miss teammate RHP Mayers went to Cards at 93. Seriously wondering if Wahl is coming back at this point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

it's not like they have to fill 25 spots at the ML level with pitchers, middle relievers can come from anywhere and give you anything. they've got potential rotation guys with Johnson and Vizcaino, with Blackburn and Underwood at lower levels right now. meanwhile, they have Jackson, Wood, Garza (if they want him), and Shark at the major league level, which could be the meat of their rotation for 3-4 years if they so desire. plug Johnson or Vizcaino in if all goes well and you really don't have to develop a million arms each year.

 

You listed our four best pitching prospects and gave us an A-ball MOR ceiling with arm injury questions, an Angel Guzman redux, and a pair of second-round teenagers that everybody has a few of.

 

Sure, middle relievers can come from anywhere and anything. But the good ones are probably going to come from being good prospects, something we have very few of.

[Guest]

forgot about Hendricks and Maples, too.

[craig]

ABTY with two interesting notes, on strategy going forward

 

Hearing under slot on rd 2/3 was to avoid doing so rds 6-10 when many other teams will be doing so... Look for talent grab next five picks...

....

 

This is exactly what I've been thinking. When everybody is going with 10K guys in the next rounds, the ability to keep going overslot gives you a good chance to grab several more guys who you like well enough to be 4th/5th round guys, but who happened to slip through or whom weren't quite willing to take slot.

 

There is no question but that the team is going to use it's money. It's not a matter of cheap, it's a matter of deciding how to spend a finite amount, when, on whom.

 

Hannemann might be somewhat overslot, or maybe right on, who knows. Masek may well involve some overslot.