Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Maybe Edwin Jackson

 

Please explain why you thought this made sense.

Why would you do this to the rest of us?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Maybe Edwin Jackson

 

Please explain why you thought this made sense.

 

Because he'll be over 30. Because if we start the season with several younger SP options in Shark, Wood, maybe Price, and then Vizcaino, Arrietta, Cabrera, Hendricks, Grimm as options to round out the rotation, as well as the next incarnation of Feldman or Maholm, he becomes a valuable trade chip in a weak FA market. For all the same reasons, Villanueva's another possibility. As I said, he wouldn't be agressively shopped, but a trade chip.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, when he's the most expensive he's ever been and coming off of arguably his worst season since 2006. What a trade chip!

[abuck1220]

haven't you ever heard of a FLIER? dummy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes, when he's the most expensive he's ever been and coming off of arguably his worst season since 2006. What a trade chip!

 

Well, we did pay a decent chunk of his contract via signing bonus. He's down to $11m a year from here on out, which could be a bargain.

[Cubswin11]

I don't really want to move him, but I wonder if the Braves will have interest in Jackson with Hudson going down. Maholm is hurt too I believe. What would they have that would make it worthwhile?

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cubs need Jackson too much to trade him.

[Cubswin11]

The Cubs need Jackson too much to trade him.

I agree, but if they were desperate do they have anyone that if they included him you'd have to seriously consider it?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Cubs need Jackson too much to trade him.

 

His contract will be over by the time we are ready to compete in 2017.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jackson's not good enough to get that kind of return. Just repeat the hypothetical trade discussions in regards to Travis Wood, except now do it with an older pitcher having a bad year and who is a LOT more expensive.

[toonsterwu]

I don't really want to move him, but I wonder if the Braves will have interest in Jackson with Hudson going down. Maholm is hurt too I believe. What would they have that would make it worthwhile?

 

My guess is that the Braves will give someone like Alex Wood, Cody Martin, or David Hale a look before looking elsewhere. Wood should be the guy, as there was talk he would force his way in. If he looks capable in his start, they probably focus on a lefty pen option.

 

As for what they have, there's some decent-solid pieces. This isn't the Braves system of old. It's a bit thin at the top, but Lucas Sims and JR Graham both look like solid pitching prospect with solid ceilings. Alberto Cabrera's little brother would be a decent gamble, a very good power arm still learning command, control, and consistency. There really isn't any great positional prospect. Bethancourt is still there, but his bat is very suspect. That said, his defense behind the dish is that good that he should get some looks in the bigs. After that, there's some raw, toolsy guys, with Edward Salcedo coming to mind. The speedy shortstop Jose Peraza is mildly intriguing.

 

It's really the three arms (Wood should be in that mix, although I guess he'll lose prospect status, and I doubt they deal him), and Graham/Sims are both very intriguing arms. After that, it's a mish-mash (enough to do a trade for say, a pen arm, but for a hypothetical solid starter to replace Hudson, I doubt they'd have enough to win a bidding war without moving Graham or Sims).

[Clem Fandango]

Beachy likely made his last rehab start tonight, which means he'll slot right in place for Hudson if that's the case.

[Guest]

feldman seems like the type of guy they'd have possibly been interested in.

[Post Count Padder]

6:58am: Chicago right fielders Nate Schierholtz and Alex Rios top the Pirates' wish list, writes Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago. The Bucs "have been watching Schierholtz for more than a month," notes Levine.

 

Thoughts on packaging Gregg with Schierholtz there? What possible return could we get on that from the Pirates?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not really keen on giving the Pirates a cost-controlled outfield solution for 2014.

[Guest]

I don't think the Pirates are a good fit for the return I think the Cubs would need to trade Schierholtz. Not enough quality that is MLB ready.

[davell]

At this point, my guess is we'll trade Soriano and Gregg, if possible. Along with Russell probably and one of Schierholtz or DeJesus. With a slim chance of moving one of Villanueva or Barney. If Schierholtz IS moved, I think we'll be ecstatic on the return.

[toonsterwu]

Beachy likely made his last rehab start tonight, which means he'll slot right in place for Hudson if that's the case.

 

I completely forgot about him. Damn, he's been out awhile.

 

I am still hopeful of perhaps pulling off a good trade of James Russell to the Braves. I wouldn't do it for doing's sake, as there's no point with the control we have left, but if we can get something solid, it'd be mighty tempting. Granted, the problem is, I don't think Mauricio Cabrera/Cody Martin/Christian Bethancourt is good enough for a 1v1, and I doubt they move Sims/Graham in a Russell deal, though I can dream. If we get a couple 2nd tier guys, it might be interesting.

 

Midday ruminating ...

[davell]

Graham hasn't pitched since early May. We're likely wary of trading for another injured Braves player right now.

[toonsterwu]

6:58am: Chicago right fielders Nate Schierholtz and Alex Rios top the Pirates' wish list, writes Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago. The Bucs "have been watching Schierholtz for more than a month," notes Levine.

 

Thoughts on packaging Gregg with Schierholtz there? What possible return could we get on that from the Pirates?

 

Together? If we package them together, I'd at least hope for either Glasnow or Kingham as the headliner to a package. Not sure how realistic that is, as it's tough to really gauge the market for those two, but I'd ask for one of those two, if not both, and maybe a Jin-de Jhang.

 

Maybe I'm way off on the market for those two individually though.

[toonsterwu]

Graham hasn't pitched since early May. We're likely wary of trading for another injured Braves player right now.

 

Point in his development is a bit different from Arodys, though, so unless he had TJ (I don't recall that, but maybe I missed something), I certainly would take a gamble on him if the Braves were willing to offer. His starting upside is too tantalizing. Now, that said, it'd have to be more than that to do a Russell deal, and I doubt the Braves go down that road anyways (moving Graham), as they seem likely to be able to find someone. Furthermore, I forgot about Beachy, so Alex Wood probably just slots in there anyways (if they don't keep him as a starter down the stretch).

[Layoutman]

I don't have a problem with retaining Barney, Shierholtz, and Russell.

 

Their value, I fear, won't ever be this high again since a lot of their value is tied to team control for at least another year. Shierholtz is at that

magical age where fortune has shined on the likes of Hoffpauer and LaHair. There is a window right now where the Tigers could give us a nice asset for Barney and bullpen help. Gregg's value is already starting to erode, especially, after last night's 3 walk performance. He needs to go and fast. Could care less if Shierholtz goes to the Pirates. By the time we are ready to compete, Shierholtz will be long forgotten.

 

DeJesus I would prefer to hold onto, if for no other reason, his wife is smoking hot. He works deep into counts and provides adequate defense. If some club wants to give us a B level prospect for him, take it and take his picture down from the Cub press room....

 

With Soriano on the way out my main concern has been addressed. There will be plenty of at bats and reps available for the Olt's, Vitters, and Lake's this fall. Valbuena can get quality reps at 2B if Barney is moved.

 

If we are having selling discussions at the trade deadline of 2015 then this FO has failed.

[bukie]

Schierholtz is nothing like LaHair/Hoffpauir. Terrible false dichotomy.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm on the fence about trading Schierholtz. He's been quite good and is signed beyond this year at a bargain price. I'd also be hesitant to deal Russell because he's one of our few good bullpen pieces.

 

Of course you deal any of them for the right price, but I wouldn't ship those two out as easily as I might DeJesus, Gregg, etc.

[Layoutman]

Schierholtz is nothing like LaHair/Hoffpauir. Terrible false dichotomy.

 

For now, I will ignore the multiple negation preceeding the dichotomy reference. Which begs the question, were you referring to a jointly exhaustive dichotomy or a mutually exclusive dichotomy?

 

Take some time, which you didn't when responding to my post, to actually look at the numbers and draw some conclusions. If you need me to do that for you then I can proceed with the Player A , Player B, and Player C format comparison. I'm thinking though, my time is better spent having meaningful discourse with fellow Cub fans rather than responding to: "Schierholtz is nothing like LaHair/Hoffpauir. Terrible false dichotomy"

 

There was a reason Shierholtz was non-tendered by the Phillies in the offseason.