Rick Renteria Named New Cubs Manager

[SouthSideRyan]

I want Acta as bench coach

[Guest]

I want Acta as bench coach

 

Same. If they land Girardi, I'd be really happy with this arrangement.

[XZero771679666304]

 

And I doubt the Yanks would truly pull their offer if he talked to the Cubs and came back saying he wanted to stay in NY...not as long as they haven't hired a replacement yet, obviously.

 

Yeah, I definitely think the Yanks are bluffing a bit on that part. They're not going to completely pull their offer to Girardi just because he listens to the Cubs' offer.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You guys don't think the Yankees have a bit of "If you don't love being a Yankee, you aren't good enough to be a Yankee" attitude in them? I totally think they'll pull the offer.

[jersey cubs fan]

You guys don't think the Yankees have a bit of "If you don't love being a Yankee, you aren't good enough to be a Yankee" attitude in them? I totally think they'll pull the offer.

 

There is a little bit of that in there, but the real Yankee way is to just pay more than the next guy to get the deal done. They aren't afraid of their guys speaking with others, because they believe in the end they want to be with the Yankees. They've had all sorts of guys sit and wait on offers. It doesn't bother them.

[Guest]

You guys don't think the Yankees have a bit of "If you don't love being a Yankee, you aren't good enough to be a Yankee" attitude in them? I totally think they'll pull the offer.

 

Not enough to drive them to make irrational and stupid decisions.

 

If they're committed enough to wanting him back to make such a substantial offer, they aren't stupid enough to throw it away over ego when they are presented with the opportunity to have what they want.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

[Hawk4Hall]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

[Guest]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

rofl

[Guest]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

[Guest]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the guy who started this thread.

[Guest]

Oh, I know. I was wondering if it would be something besides bad records on expected-to-be-bad Cleveland and Washington teams.

[Old Style]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

For the record I'm not saying I believe any specific manager will make us 30 wins better but there do seem to be examples where a managerial change makes a big difference. Is it a matter of a bad manager making the team worse as opposed to a good manager making the team better?

[Guest]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

For the record I'm not saying I believe any specific manager will make us 30 wins better but there do seem to be examples where a managerial change makes a big difference. Is it a matter of a bad manager making the team worse as opposed to a good manager making the team better?

 

 

Hmm...

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

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[Cubswin11]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

For the record I'm not saying I believe any specific manager will make us 30 wins better but there do seem to be examples where a managerial change makes a big difference. Is it a matter of a bad manager making the team worse as opposed to a good manager making the team better?

Ummm.......Because they had a lot of guys have better years on offense and pitching than the year before

 

Indians 2012 offense: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2012 pitching: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2013 offense: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2013 pitching: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[Hawk4Hall]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

Although he's never had much to work with, he's never won either. Look at his overall record as manager. The Cubs roster isn't going to be great next year either so they might as well have hung onto Sveum if they wanted the same results. I don't think Acta is much of a change from Dale.

 

Outside of Acta being a sabermetrics guy what makes him worth managing the Cubs?

[KingCubsFan]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

For the record I'm not saying I believe any specific manager will make us 30 wins better but there do seem to be examples where a managerial change makes a big difference. Is it a matter of a bad manager making the team worse as opposed to a good manager making the team better?

There will come a time (hopefully) in the next few years where the Cubs will make a huge jump in wins. And the media will probably give a lot of credit to the manager. In actuality, he will probably have little to do with it. There's certainly such a thing as a bad manager (we've all witnessed it firsthand), but I'm not convinced there's such a thing as a universally "good" manager. I think an individual manager's success will depend more on fitting into the right situation.

[Hawk4Hall]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the guy who started this thread.

I'm not really sure why you are even commenting here. You didn't want Sveum fired and weren't big on Girardi.

 

Do you want Acta or are you just going to make more smartass comments?

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the guy who started this thread.

I'm not really sure why you are even commenting here. You didn't want Sveum fired and weren't big on Girardi.

 

Do you want Acta or are you just going to make more smartass comments?

 

If you didn't want Sveum fired you can't comment on this thread?

[Guest]

If the Cubs are serious about Acta as manager, I would have rather kept Sveum. Acta was never impressive as a manager and it's not like he's going to have a stellar roster to work with. Acta as a bench coach is fine, but he'd be a horrible choice for manager.

 

And why would he be a horrible choice for manager?

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the guy who started this thread.

I'm not really sure why you are even commenting here. You didn't want Sveum fired and weren't big on Girardi.

 

Do you want Acta or are you just going to make more smartass comments?

 

I very much want Acta. I'm not big on spending $5M on Girardi but I'd be fine with his hire otherwise.

 

Sveum probably didn't need to go based on what we can see, but if the FO thought he did based on what went on behind the scenes and/or his approach to Rizzo/Castro, I'm obviously more than OK with deferring to their opinion.

[Hawk4Hall]

Why is Acta going to be better than Sveum? I assume the Cubs fired Sveum for something better and I don't see where he's going to be an upgrade. The team is at least another year away from contending within the division, and outside Acta's love for Sabermetrics why is he the guy?

 

Like I said, he's never won before and the roster this season isn't going to be much better than last year.

Edited October 8, 2013 by Hawk4Hall

[Guest]

lol Brandon

[jersey cubs fan]

I assume the Cubs fired Sveum

 

That's a safe assumption.

[Old Style]

It's a manager, it's all stupid and irrational emotional hokum.

How do you explain situations like the Cleveland Indians where they went from a 90+ loss team one season to a 90+ win without making any major changes other than the manager? They have to be at least part of the reason for that, right?

 

For the record I'm not saying I believe any specific manager will make us 30 wins better but there do seem to be examples where a managerial change makes a big difference. Is it a matter of a bad manager making the team worse as opposed to a good manager making the team better?

Ummm.......Because they had a lot of guys have better years on offense and pitching than the year before

 

Indians 2012 offense: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2012 pitching: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2013 offense: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Indians 2013 pitching: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=5&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Ok, do the manager & his staff not have anything to do with that?