Rizzo

[Guest]

Puig has a .369 BABIP with just a 13.9 LD% and his wOBA is still lower than Rizzo.

 

Rizzo, in contrast, has a .317 BABIP and a 23.7 LD%.

 

3.0 fWAR for both.

 

Rizzo is locked up longer for (very) slightly less money.

 

The BABIP doesn't bother me. Guys like Trout, McCutchen and Puig are going to have high BABIPs due to their skillset.

 

(really not trying to sound like a smart ass)

 

What about Puig's skillset justifies a very high BABIP with a pretty low LD%?

[KingCubsFan]

Puig has a .369 BABIP with just a 13.9 LD% and his wOBA is still lower than Rizzo.

 

Rizzo, in contrast, has a .317 BABIP and a 23.7 LD%.

 

3.0 fWAR for both.

 

Rizzo is locked up longer for (very) slightly less money.

 

The BABIP doesn't bother me. Guys like Trout, McCutchen and Puig are going to have high BABIPs due to their skillset.

 

(really not trying to sound like a smart ass)

 

What about Puig's skillset justifies a very high BABIP with a pretty low LD%?

Speed. I fully expect Puig's LD% to get back up to where it was last year (19%), which is pretty close to Trout's and McCutchen's career marks (around 20%).

 

(really not trying to sound like a smart ass)

 

What about Rizzo justifies people actually arguing they'd rather have him than a guy a full year younger who has been arguably the best hitter in baseball over the past calendar year and plays a more premium defensive position?

[Guest]

What about Rizzo justifies people actually arguing they'd rather have him than a guy a full year younger who has been arguably the best hitter in baseball over the past calendar year and plays a more premium defensive position?

 

Having him under team control for nearly twice as long.

[ChiCubsFan]

To me the list starts and ends with Trout.

 

I'd consider Chris Sale, Yordano Ventura, Jose Fernandez, Carlos Gomez, Josh Donaldson, Yasiel Puig, Anthony Rendon, and Andrew McCutchen, but probably wouldn't pull the trigger on anyone besides Trout.

 

This is a very odd list. I wouldn't consider any of those guys. Maaaaaaaybe Mccutchen. We have Rizzo locked up through 2021 making nothing!

 

Sale has an even more team friendly contract than Rizzo, Ventura/Fernandez are monsters not even arbitration eligible yet, Gomez is probably a stretch and will get paid soon, Donaldson isn't making any money, Puig has a similar contract to Rizzo, Rendon is very young. I don't think any of them would be an immediate no with the possible exception of Gomez and probably Fernandez solely due to the injury.

 

I wouldn't trade Rizzo for a pitcher so that eliminates all of them. Puig is under control through 2018. Rizzo is controlled through 2021. So I take Rizzo there. Donaldson will be a FA sooner than Rizzo. Rendon is unproven and will be a FA before Rizzo will.

 

I think the list starts and ends with Trout.

Edited June 27, 2014 by ChiCubsFan

[Sammy Sofa]

Isn't Donaldson a FA in 2019?

[ChiCubsFan]

Isn't Donaldson a FA in 2019?

 

Yeah just realized that. Edited post. Thought he was already in his arb years. We still have control over Rizzo for 3 extra years. And Donaldson is already 28.

[Sammy Sofa]

I got all excited there thinking he could be brought back to the fold.

[ChiCubsFan]

I think people are underestimating the control we have over Rizzo. He won't be a FA until he is 32. If we want to resign him at that point, its much cheaper to resign a 32 year old player (exiting his prime) than it is to resign a 29 or 30 year old player (still has a couple years in his prime). So not only do we have Anthony locked up to a team friendly contract until 2022, but his 2nd contract is also going to cost much less than a guy like Puig's will. The deal we got on Anthony is just tremendous. Those 2 team options are glorious.

[ChiCubsFan]

I got all excited there thinking he could be brought back to the fold.

All Cubs prospect team

 

C-Schwarber

1b-Rizzo

2b-Baez

SS-Castro

3B-Donaldson

LF-Bryant

CF-AA (take your pick which one)

RF-Soler

[Tryptamine]

Puig has a .369 BABIP with just a 13.9 LD% and his wOBA is still lower than Rizzo.

 

Rizzo, in contrast, has a .317 BABIP and a 23.7 LD%.

 

3.0 fWAR for both.

 

Rizzo is locked up longer for (very) slightly less money.

 

The BABIP doesn't bother me. Guys like Trout, McCutchen and Puig are going to have high BABIPs due to their skillset.

 

Nobody maintains a .370 babip with that LD% unless they have speed that puts Billy Hamilton to shame.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

For their careers, nobody maintains a .370 BABIP period.

[DiamondMind]

I love you tinyface.

[Splendid Splinter]

For their careers, nobody maintains a .370 BABIP period.

 

 

Ty Cobb

[Bull]

For their careers, nobody maintains a .370 BABIP period.

 

 

Ty Cobb

Who also had a strangely small face.

[Derwood]

For their careers, nobody maintains a .370 BABIP period.

 

 

Ty Cobb

Who also had a strangely small face.

 

new market inefficiency?

[Guest]

Was re-watching some Rizzo moments tonight and this caught my eye.

 

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/soccer10k/Rizzo2012.png

 

Rizzo in 2012

 

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/soccer10k/Rizzo2014.png

 

Rizzo in 2014

 

By my amateur eye, it seems pretty clear that Rizzo is not standing as straight anymore and is leaning forward a bit. It also appears that his back leg is closer to home plate than it used to be.

 

Just curious if anyone else notices any differences in Rizzo's approach and if any of this could have had an impact on his performance.

[A New Era]

His right leg is kicked back a bit more like schwarber. I don't know anything about this, I presume as long as a better can get back into their swing stance as the ball is approaching, stance doesn't matter much as long as a batter is comfortable with it? I just find it fascinating because I think Schwarber's stance looks so cool.

[Clem Fandango]

I definitely noticed the stance adjustment this season.

[rawaction]

To me, it always looked like Rizzo wasn't quite ready to swing when the pitch was being delivered, when he was basically standing straight up.

[DiamondMind]

He also seems to be standing a lot closer to the plate this season - especially holding his hands/wrists farther out

[DiamondMind]

2012

 

http://i.imgur.com/2FXt9QN.png

 

 

2013

 

http://i.imgur.com/IMAcuVo.png

 

 

2014

 

http://i.imgur.com/tqv2cAz.png

 

[Sammy Sofa]

I was going to scream "J'ACCUSE" and demand to know where the rest of the hits were from 2014 until I remembered we're not even to the [expletive] ASB in this nightmare of a season.

[d_money]

With some talk on another thread about "possibility" of Castro being moved due to Baez/Russell as possible replacements, why no talk of Rizzo getting moved for the same reason (Schwarber/Vogelbach?

 

Edit: Castro replacements are highly touted and Rizzo's aren't - there's my answer

Edited July 5, 2014 by d_money

[hawkeyecub]

With some talk on another thread about "possibility" of Castro being moved due to Baez/Russell as possible replacements, why no talk of Rizzo getting moved for the same reason (Schwarber/Vogelbach?

 

Because Vogelbach is not close to ready, might not ever be good and might not ever be able to stick at 1B. And Schwarber has not played 1B and is in A ball. And Rizzo is one of the best values in all of baseball.

[d_money]

With some talk on another thread about "possibility" of Castro being moved due to Baez/Russell as possible replacements, why no talk of Rizzo getting moved for the same reason (Schwarber/Vogelbach?

 

Because Vogelbach is not close to ready, might not ever be good and might not ever be able to stick at 1B. And Schwarber has not played 1B and is in A ball. And Rizzo is one of the best values in all of baseball.

Yeah, I just realized that myself...bad question