Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Guest]

Angelo was good in later rounds of the draft too. But you get fired for screwing up your first rounders. I hope Emery isn't 2/2.

 

It's probably too soon to write off McClellin, despite the issues last season.

[KaiserCesar]

Angelo was good in later rounds of the draft too. But you get fired for screwing up your first rounders. I hope Emery isn't 2/2.

 

Angelo was the GM for over a decade and kept his job by getting starters in the mid rounds. It seems that everyone but Mills from this draft could contribute immediately. I think its a very solid imprint on the roster by Emery as Mayock said.

 

How many GMs have had really good teams for years on end that have consistently screwed up their first rounders?

 

That's a fair point. Teams like the Saints miss here and there but get enough talented starters through the draft to supplement a great team. I guess my main idea was that as long as you get productive players in the draft, it doesn't matter what round they come in. However, only being able to get impact talent in the mid-rounds isn't sustainable and will lead to a GM getting fired.

[Guest]

Outside of how our first pick was made(no issue with the player, just wanted a trade back, if thats who we wanted) the rest of the draft was extremely solid. Really hard to fault the rest of it. I think I'd give the entire draft a B grade, docking solely for Long at 20, instead of back from that spot.

 

It's hard for me to give it a solid B, because of the reach in the first round. It was a good 20-30 place reach. I'd give the Long pick a C to C- alone, and I give it the most weight since it is the most important. I wouldn't give any picks an A other than the 6th and 7th which get the least weight. Bostic's probably a B+ to B for me. And I really didn't like the double up at LB, so even though I love Greene, I can only give that pick a C.

 

I don't see the issue with doubling on LB. All 3 starting linebackers will be at least 30 during the coming season and two of them will be free agents after the season.

[rawaction]

Outside of how our first pick was made(no issue with the player, just wanted a trade back, if thats who we wanted) the rest of the draft was extremely solid. Really hard to fault the rest of it. I think I'd give the entire draft a B grade, docking solely for Long at 20, instead of back from that spot.

 

It's hard for me to give it a solid B, because of the reach in the first round. It was a good 20-30 place reach. I'd give the Long pick a C to C- alone, and I give it the most weight since it is the most important. I wouldn't give any picks an A other than the 6th and 7th which get the least weight. Bostic's probably a B+ to B for me. And I really didn't like the double up at LB, so even though I love Greene, I can only give that pick a C.

 

I don't see the issue with doubling on LB. All 3 starting linebackers will be at least 30 during the coming season and two of them will be free agents after the season.

 

Updated my blog. But my issue with the 2nd LB pick (Greene), is that I don't know if he can play SLB effectively. He looks like he may only be a WLB only, which is Briggs position. Which means, if that's the case, he's going to be watching the defense from the sidelines most of the year. I think the 4th was reasonably the last round to select a player that could contribute in 2013 (since the 1st rounder may not). A reserve CB, DT, DE (hadn't picked Washington yet) or even a RB (Franklin was on the board still) would be more likely to contribute than a LB that's not starting.

[tfarks]

You're missing the most important phase of the game. Blue-chip special teams play.

[Magnetic Curses]

Outside of how our first pick was made(no issue with the player, just wanted a trade back, if thats who we wanted) the rest of the draft was extremely solid. Really hard to fault the rest of it. I think I'd give the entire draft a B grade, docking solely for Long at 20, instead of back from that spot.

 

It's hard for me to give it a solid B, because of the reach in the first round. It was a good 20-30 place reach. I'd give the Long pick a C to C- alone, and I give it the most weight since it is the most important. I wouldn't give any picks an A other than the 6th and 7th which get the least weight. Bostic's probably a B+ to B for me. And I really didn't like the double up at LB, so even though I love Greene, I can only give that pick a C.

 

I don't see the issue with doubling on LB. All 3 starting linebackers will be at least 30 during the coming season and two of them will be free agents after the season.

 

Updated my blog. But my issue with the 2nd LB pick (Greene), is that I don't know if he can play SLB effectively. He looks like he may only be a WLB only, which is Briggs position. Which means, if that's the case, he's going to be watching the defense from the sidelines most of the year. I think the 4th was reasonably the last round to select a player that could contribute in 2013 (since the 1st rounder may not). A reserve CB, DT, DE (hadn't picked Washington yet) or even a RB (Franklin was on the board still) would be more likely to contribute than a LB that's not starting.

 

i don't understand, he can play WILL but he can't play SAM? yeah, I doubt that's the case.

[rawaction]

Yeah. Will and Sam are completely different positions. Well, not completely, but the Sam has to take on blockers more, has more keys such as TE, FB, pulling OG, etc. The Will LB in the Bears system is more of a run and chase guy. Typically has to deal with very few blockers in his way and able to just take off toward the ball carrier in the run game. I think that's more Greene's game, weaving thru traffic to make plays instead of taking the traffic head on.

[cubbyvirus00]

I've got 2 questions.

 

 

1- how does TE Joeseph Fauria not get drafted?

 

2- how is Gabe Carimi a total bust if he's never had a healthy full offseason/training camp? I would like to give him another few seasons

[davell]

Raw, how many of our picks do you see contributing in 2013? Personally, I think Long is a starter at guard. Bostic or Greene is a starter, position TBD, the other likely just gets special teams for a year, and Wilson gets plenty of snaps as our 4th WR.

[Guest]

I've got 2 questions.

 

 

1- how does TE Joeseph Fauria not get drafted?

 

2- how is Gabe Carimi a total bust if he's never had a healthy full offseason/training camp? I would like to give him another few seasons

 

Fauria has never blocked, which is probably why he went undrafted. He should have been drafted in the 6th or 7th just for his ability to be a red zone weapon size, hands and leaping ability (I always thought the early season mocks of him as a day two pick were too optimistic).

 

I don't think Carimi is a bust yet but this is a really important season for him.

[rawaction]

Raw, how many of our picks do you see contributing in 2013? Personally, I think Long is a starter at guard. Bostic or Greene is a starter, position TBD, the other likely just gets special teams for a year, and Wilson gets plenty of snaps as our 4th WR.

 

The only guy I don't see contributing at all would be Mills. He should show enough to make the roster, may or may not be active on gameday, but that's fine considering the depth the Bears have amassed.

 

I think Washington could contribute quite a bit actually. He's raw, but the one thing he can do is rush the passer. Peppers, Wootton and McClellin will obviously get the majority of the reps, but the 4th DE can get on the field as much as 30-35% of the snaps with the ability to force himself on the field more if he's effective.

 

One of the LBs will start, I'm guessing Bostic easily. He looks to be more versatile and obviously was picked higher. I think he'll start at MLB, with Williams at SLB because of his experience and ability there. I can see James Anderson getting cut, and if the Bears think Greene can do it, he'd be next in line for SLB snaps.

 

Not sure if Long will start. He will get every opportunity to do so, but if his competition is Slauson/Carimi, I wouldn't count out either of those guys. Sounds like he's going to compete at OG exclusively to start. I can see him winning the LG job, with Slauson going to RG, and Carimi as the first man off the bench.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah. Will and Sam are completely different positions. Well, not completely, but the Sam has to take on blockers more, has more keys such as TE, FB, pulling OG, etc. The Will LB in the Bears system is more of a run and chase guy. Typically has to deal with very few blockers in his way and able to just take off toward the ball carrier in the run game. I think that's more Greene's game, weaving thru traffic to make plays instead of taking the traffic head on.

 

are you actually explaining the differences between the different types of 4-3 linebackers to me? i'm sorry, but that's not exactly esoteric knowledge one would have to learn by reading your steelers blog.

[Magnetic Curses]

i mean, if hunter [expletive] hillenmeyer can play the SAM, anyone can.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm praying the plan is to have Slauson learn to center and cut Garza if Carimi and Long both prove capable as G. I know its not really realistic, but would make me feel so much better.

 

 

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[rawaction]

Yeah. Will and Sam are completely different positions. Well, not completely, but the Sam has to take on blockers more, has more keys such as TE, FB, pulling OG, etc. The Will LB in the Bears system is more of a run and chase guy. Typically has to deal with very few blockers in his way and able to just take off toward the ball carrier in the run game. I think that's more Greene's game, weaving thru traffic to make plays instead of taking the traffic head on.

 

are you actually explaining the differences between the different types of 4-3 linebackers to me? i'm sorry, but that's not exactly esoteric knowledge one would have to learn by reading your steelers blog.

 

You said you didn't understand in your original post. And it's obvious that you feel that the OLB positions are interchangeable based on your comments. And that's just not true, especially in the scheme the Bears have run for almost the last decade. Derrick Brooks and Lance Briggs wouldn't be/have been great players on the strong side. A slow footed LB like Hillenmeyer would struggle on the weak side. If you don't know that and want to take your typical bitch ass shots at me, have it. But you are wrong.

[Magnetic Curses]

we are not talking about hunter hillenmeyer trying to play the WILL, we're talking about a talented rookie playing the SAM, and while it may not be where his abilities are best used, the Bears already have a pretty damn good weak side linebacker so he's going to have to wait. while he's waiting, they can get him on the field by playing him at a less-challenging position.

 

this idea that they have to have some slow-footed, oafish, non-playmaker on the strong-side is what i didn't understand.

[RynoRules]

we are not talking about hunter hillenmeyer trying to play the WILL, we're talking about a talented rookie playing the SAM, and while it may not be where his abilities are best used, the Bears already have a pretty damn good weak side linebacker so he's going to have to wait. while he's waiting, they can get him on the field by playing him at a less-challenging position.

 

this idea that they have to have some slow-footed, oafish, non-playmaker on the strong-side is what i didn't understand.

 

They probably don't, so long as Greene can take on TE's, RB's and in some cases Guards.

[Banedon]

Kiper grades for the Bears:

 

Need B+, Value C, Overall C+

 

Top needs: LB, G, RT, WR, CB

 

Summary: A few weeks ago I projected Kyle Long to the Bears at No. 20, but I projected that believing there's no chance Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert would still be available. I know they added Martellus Bennett, and maybe this is where he realizes his full talent, but this is also his third team. This is a huge year for Jay Cutler, and I love the idea of adding a versatile tight end like Eifert who you can never really cover well because of the way he attacks the ball. Last year, Brandon Marshall was the passing offense. My issue with Long isn't that he's short on talent -- he's not. I just wasn't in love with the value, even if you project him at tackle on a team needy for O-lineman. I see him as a better fit at guard, and that means the Bears took the fourth guard in the draft at No. 20 overall. But it got better. Jonathan Bostic and Khaseem Greene are very good linebackers, and Greene at No. 117 is one of the steals of the entire draft. Both of those guys will come in ready to play. Three months ago the Bears looked like a disaster at linebacker. They look a lot better today. Jordan Mills has a shot to stick, and while I admitted I probably overrated Cornelius Washington because he was such a workout freak, his tape wasn't bad enough to have him fall to the sixth. I'll want to find out why he fell so far. Marquess Wilson at one time was seen as a likely second-rounder. If he shows up to work consistently, he could be a steal. The Bears did some good things, and went for big needs, I just think they missed on value with Eifert.

[tfarks]

I'm not sure I've ever had the exact same opinion as Mel Kiper Jr before.

[Old Style]

As for Swope, the reason he fell that far is because he had like 4-6 concussions in college. Dude could turn into Jahvid Best. I would be scared to draft him.

Two, but why let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/04/concussion-worries-drop-texas-ams-ryan-swope-to-the-hands-of-arizona-cardinals-in-sixth-round.html/

 

Dude has no fear and will go across the middle with velcro hands. If AZ ever gets a QB Swope could have a nice career with Fitzgerald taking all the attention from the DB's.

[Banedon]

Walterfootball's summary is very similar. Seems like mostly everyone likes what the Bears did, they just think they reached a bit in the first round.

 

2013 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Chicago's draft class very much mirrors the Giants'. Like Justin Pugh at 19, Kyle Long was a reach at 20, but again, it wasn't nearly as bad as what the Cowboys would do 11 selections later. And like New York, the Bears would recover and draft solid talents who filled positions of need.

 

The Bears did a good job of bolstering their linebacking corps. Jon Bostic will be the heir apparent to Brian Urlacher, while Khaseem Greene, a major steal at No. 117, will be an effective player on the outside in the future.

 

Excluding Greene, my favorite pick of Chicago's was Cornelius Washington at No. 188. Many considered him a mid second-day prospect, so to obtain him in Round 6 as a potential future replacement for Julius Peppers was phenomenal. The next pick, Marquess Wilson (No. 236), provides tons of upside. He quit on his football team at Washington State, but that may not have been entirely his fault. He has the potential to be a solid weapon for Jay Cutler down the road.

 

Overall, I'm a fan of what Chicago did, save for its first-round choice. As I did with the Giants, I'm rewarding this front office with a solid "B".

[Wilson A2000]

It didn't really hit me until the second rd LB pick that Urlacher is gone and the team has moved on. It was the right move, but still sucks.

[Magnetic Curses]

As for Swope, the reason he fell that far is because he had like 4-6 concussions in college. Dude could turn into Jahvid Best. I would be scared to draft him.

Two, but why let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/04/concussion-worries-drop-texas-ams-ryan-swope-to-the-hands-of-arizona-cardinals-in-sixth-round.html/

 

Dude has no fear and will go across the middle with velcro hands. If AZ ever gets a QB Swope could have a nice career with Fitzgerald taking all the attention from the DB's.

 

well, his fearlessness over the middle may end his career early.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Swope=overhyped Doesn't play anywhere near his timed speed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Walterfootball's summary is very similar. Seems like mostly everyone likes what the Bears did, they just think they reached a bit in the first round.

 

2013 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Chicago's draft class very much mirrors the Giants'. Like Justin Pugh at 19, Kyle Long was a reach at 20, but again, it wasn't nearly as bad as what the Cowboys would do 11 selections later. And like New York, the Bears would recover and draft solid talents who filled positions of need.

 

The Bears did a good job of bolstering their linebacking corps. Jon Bostic will be the heir apparent to Brian Urlacher, while Khaseem Greene, a major steal at No. 117, will be an effective player on the outside in the future.

 

Excluding Greene, my favorite pick of Chicago's was Cornelius Washington at No. 188. Many considered him a mid second-day prospect, so to obtain him in Round 6 as a potential future replacement for Julius Peppers was phenomenal. The next pick, Marquess Wilson (No. 236), provides tons of upside. He quit on his football team at Washington State, but that may not have been entirely his fault. He has the potential to be a solid weapon for Jay Cutler down the road.

 

Overall, I'm a fan of what Chicago did, save for its first-round choice. As I did with the Giants, I'm rewarding this front office with a solid "B".

 

My only problem with the linebacker selections is they are linebackers. Those guys just aren't that vital in the pass happy world we live in. But the selections were pretty good and both guys should be able to contribute. The emphasis on guards and linebackers in the upper half is a little disappointing, giving the hierarchy of impact on either side of the ball. They had to restock the offensive line though, and hopefully they don't turn Angelo and ignore the line for the next 8 drafts. The line should at least be stable. Although I think people are being far too optimistic when it comes to talking about Long in 2013. The guy has barely played the position at all, and outside of franchise tackles, linemen typically do not start as rookies. He has a hell of a lot to learn and not much time to do it. It's not like he's some receiver you can throw in for half a dozen plays to see what he can do, he's either playing every down or sitting. I have to think he'll be sitting for a while.

 

Emery loves himself some measurables, which is fine in football but also can lead to significant underperformance. I would prefer a little more emphasis on players who make their mark on tape during the season rather than in shorts when the season is long past. Lovie's emphasis on lighter fast guys led to quality special teams play and an opportunistic bend but don't break style of defense. But it also probably played a role in an offense that could not do things like short yardage runs. Emery's desire for bigger physical freaks is probably meant for a defense that does more taking it to the opposition and maybe an offense that can score from the 1.

 

Anywho, I think I like the 6th and 7th round selections best of all, as guys with the best chance to make special plays, albeit in limited roles. Trestman is more of a spread the love kind of coach than a hardass, so he might be able to get more out of Wilson, and hopefully keeps Marshall in-line as well. But I don't know if the Bears are going to want to extend Marshall and keep him past 2014, so next draft the needs are probably going to be more on the skill position needs than this one.