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The worst cub team in nearly fifty years....

 

 

 

If theo was anyone else, would nsbb be bitching and moaning calling for his head right now? I think so

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

 

No, not even close. This isn't new. It's new people doing it and hopefully they will do it better, but this has all been done before.

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

 

Andy MacPhail says, "Hi."

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

 

Andy MacPhail says, "Hi."

 

I don't think draft all the pitching you can, completely neglect position player development, and try to band aid the rest is nearly the same plan Theo has in mind.

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I don't think draft all the pitching you can, completely neglect position player development, and try to band aid the rest is nearly the same plan Theo has in mind.

 

The plan failed, but overhauling the minor league system and focusing on developing your own players then adding what you need from the free agent pile after your kids start to contribute is the same thing. It failed. But it's the same plan. Hopefully these guys do a better job implementing it.

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

 

Andy MacPhail says, "Hi."

 

I don't think draft all the pitching you can, completely neglect position player development, and try to band aid the rest is nearly the same plan Theo has in mind.

 

Pretty sure it was a plan to make this franchise successful in the long term. And it probably would have worked had we not done stupid things like trade some of those guys for relief pitchers and pitched the arms of the ones who did make it til their arms fell off.

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The cohesion of this FO is hopefully what separates it from the disconnect that happened between the Trib, MacPhail, and Hendry.
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I don't think draft all the pitching you can, completely neglect position player development, and try to band aid the rest is nearly the same plan Theo has in mind.

 

The plan failed, but overhauling the minor league system and focusing on developing your own players then adding what you need from the free agent pile after your kids start to contribute is the same thing. It failed. But it's the same plan. Hopefully these guys do a better job implementing it.

MacPhail's plan failed for two primary reasons:

1) Their minor league development and scouting had no idea what constituted a valuable hitting prospect or how to develop one.

2) The manager he hired torpedoed the valuable arms the club was stockpiling.

 

Then Hendry took over and came up with a new plan every offseason, from "get more lefthanded" to "get a feel-good club house environment" ro "get guys who hit well with RISP because that's totally how Moneyball worked, right?"

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For the first time we actually have a plan in place to make this franchise successful in the long term. That's why people aren't bitching.

 

It's not even the first time we've had this plan.

It's not?

 

Andy MacPhail says, "Hi."

 

I don't think draft all the pitching you can, completely neglect position player development, and try to band aid the rest is nearly the same plan Theo has in mind.

 

Andy MacPhail constantly preached player development when he was hired. He just sucked at implementing it.

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The cohesion of this FO is hopefully what separates it from the disconnect that happened between the Trib, MacPhail, and Hendry.

 

I definitely prefer this FO, have more confidence in them to execute their plan, and expect success out of it.

 

 

It's just misleading to say they've never had an FO with a plan to rebuild.

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Let me guess, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, even more thrilled when Theo was fired, and then pissed when Theo didn't conduct his first offseason as Hendry would have.

 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately...?) the user Slide Castro Slide is incorrect. Yes, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, and was mildly thrilled when Theo was hired but the OP doesn't really have a problem with a rebuilding year or three. The point is that people give Theo a free pass instead of berating some of his poor decisions. He did wreck the Red Sox recently. We can't ignore that.

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Let me guess, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, even more thrilled when Theo was fired, and then pissed when Theo didn't conduct his first offseason as Hendry would have.

 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately...?) the user Slide Castro Slide is incorrect. Yes, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, and was mildly thrilled when Theo was hired but the OP doesn't really have a problem with a rebuilding year or three. The point is that people give Theo a free pass instead of berating some of his poor decisions. He did wreck the Red Sox recently. We can't ignore that.

By winning 90 games his last year there? Sign me up to have that is a down year please.

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Let me guess, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, even more thrilled when Theo was fired, and then pissed when Theo didn't conduct his first offseason as Hendry would have.

 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately...?) the user Slide Castro Slide is incorrect. Yes, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, and was mildly thrilled when Theo was hired but the OP doesn't really have a problem with a rebuilding year or three. The point is that people give Theo a free pass instead of berating some of his poor decisions. He did wreck the Red Sox recently. We can't ignore that.

 

He hardly wrecked the Red Sox. That's a dysfunctional ownership group proving its incompetency on a daily basis.

 

Theo made a poor decision by taking a dive this season. It was unnecessary and highly disappointing.

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Let me guess, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, even more thrilled when Theo was fired, and then pissed when Theo didn't conduct his first offseason as Hendry would have.

 

 

Fortunately (or unfortunately...?) the user Slide Castro Slide is incorrect. Yes, the OP was thrilled when Hendry was fired, and was mildly thrilled when Theo was hired but the OP doesn't really have a problem with a rebuilding year or three. The point is that people give Theo a free pass instead of berating some of his poor decisions. He did wreck the Red Sox recently. We can't ignore that.

What would you categorize as poor decisions Theo made this year and what do you think he should have done?

 

Agreed that Theo is to blame to an extent where the Red Sox are, but the fact that it appears the ownership group was influencing major decisions towards how the baseball operations were to be run/what players to add can't be overlooked.

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By winning 90 games his last year there? Sign me up to have that is a down year please.

 

At some point, Epstein has to take the blame for either the 2012 Red Sox or Cubs. He can't dodge both.

 

He takes blame for the 2012 Cubs. You don't get to take a dive and then dodge the criticism for all the losses you caused by fielding a horrible team.

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What would you categorize as poor decisions Theo made this year and what do you think he should have done?

 

A) Deciding that this season was worthless and that no resources could be spent on it, which led to the following mistakes:

 

1) Removing all the good pitchers from the bullpen and finding less than nothing to replace them, leaving us with the only sub-replacement bullpen in baseball.

2) Ian @#$@#$% Stewart.

3) Missing the perfect sell-high opportunity on Garza in the spring by holding out for too much.

4) Allowing Joe Mather to be awarded a roster spot based on spring training performance.

5) Putting Steve Clevenger on the Opening Day roster instead of Castillo

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