Random Baseball Musings

[mul21]

Gawker with a strong take regarding Jamie Lannister.

 

I have no problem with people mentioning when he pitches and generally shaming him for it at every opportunity, because they should, but what do they expect MLB to do about it? He was in the minors when it happened, it was 6 years ago and he served his time for it. I'm in no way shape or form excusing his behavior, but there's only so much MLB can do when he's gone through the courts to decide the matter.

[apete6]

Jose Fernandez is the freaking man. 14k and only 3 base runners in eight innings against the Braves.

[Tryptamine]

Jose Fernandez is the freaking man. 14k and only 3 base runners in eight innings against the Braves.

 

The same could be said for Alex Wood whom he was facing. 8 IP 4H 1ER 11K 0BB.

[Guest]

Gawker with a strong take regarding Jamie Lannister.

 

I have no problem with people mentioning when he pitches and generally shaming him for it at every opportunity, because they should, but what do they expect MLB to do about it? He was in the minors when it happened, it was 6 years ago and he served his time for it. I'm in no way shape or form excusing his behavior, but there's only so much MLB can do when he's gone through the courts to decide the matter.

The MLB teams should blackball him from baseball because that behavior is not a youthful indiscretion. It is depraved.

[imb]

Please list which crimes make a person unhireable after serving his sentence.

[sneakypower]

Jose Fernandez is the freaking man. 14k and only 3 base runners in eight innings against the Braves.

amazingly, he failed to K BJ Upton in 4 tries

[Guest]

Please list which crimes make a person unhireable after serving his sentence.

In order of severity

Rape

Cumming on a girl's head when she is throwing up

[expletive] a girl in the ass when she is passed out

False imprisonment with violence because the person pled out from a rape charge in order to avoid a rape conviction

Murder

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I'm sure Walmart is hiring.

[Guest]

42 days in prison, what a joke.

[Sammy Sofa]

the josh lueke is a rapist stuff is really weird and gross to me on a bunch of levels

 

Yeah, on the surface I'm all like, "oh, look at this douchey beard-wearing [expletive], he deserves all the [expletive] he gets," but what the [expletive] is the endgame? How many people are actually doing it for some kind of idea of combating against something like rape culture and how many are just shitty hecklers? The case is vile and he sounds awful (and the article's point about it's presented as something he's trying to "grow beyond" or "put behind him" like that's something motivating him as a player is just...ugh), but the attacks just seem like flailing.

[WrigleyField 22]

I was trying to figure out why this seemed weird to me and I think you nailed it by asking how many people are just hecklers. If it makes victims or families of victims feel better I say go ahead, but I do question if it has much impact for change once news sites stop covering it and everyone forgets about rape again. That being said I can't imagine the trauma of rape, so I'll try not too read too much into intentions of anyone here.

[Guest]

Personally, I don't even care if it's for awareness or just to heckle Lueke. Part of the deal of being an MLB player is the fans can give you flak. If Moises Alou can hear about peeing on his hands constantly for years after the news came out, Lueke isn't exempt because his skeletons are worse.

 

That said, I'm extremely uncomfortable with the article's position that it's in any way our obligation to point out Lueke's past at every turn. It sure seems like Lueke is a scumbag who got off way too easy, but the idea that we need to take action to avoid "thousands of rape survivors who watch games and know that what they love is sullied by baseball's willingness to turn a blind eye to the kind of suffering they themselves endured" is incredibly obnoxious rhetoric.

[Sammy Sofa]

Personally, I don't even care if it's for awareness or just to heckle Lueke. Part of the deal of being an MLB player is the fans can give you flak. If Moises Alou can hear about peeing on his hands constantly for years after the news came out, Lueke isn't exempt because his skeletons are worse.

 

That said, I'm extremely uncomfortable with the article's position that it's in any way our obligation to point out Lueke's past at every turn. It sure seems like Lueke is a scumbag who got off way too easy, but the idea that we need to take action to avoid "thousands of rape survivors who watch games and know that what they love is sullied by baseball's willingness to turn a blind eye to the kind of suffering they themselves endured" is incredibly obnoxious rhetoric.

 

It's not that he's exempt from it so much as it actually kinda cheapens the horrible thing he did.

[jersey cubs fan]

the josh lueke is a rapist stuff is really weird and gross to me on a bunch of levels

 

Yeah, on the surface I'm all like, "oh, look at this douchey beard-wearing [expletive], he deserves all the [expletive] he gets," but what the [expletive] is the endgame? How many people are actually doing it for some kind of idea of combating against something like rape culture and how many are just [expletive] hecklers? The case is vile and he sounds awful (and the article's point about it's presented as something he's trying to "grow beyond" or "put behind him" like that's something motivating him as a player is just...ugh), but the attacks just seem like flailing.

 

We just went through several days of people trying to pretend that a guy raping a woman on television wasn't actually a rape, that it turned consensual eventually, that if she thought it was rape she should have behaved differently, that it couldn't have been rape since they'd boinked a lot before, etc.

 

Far too many guys, especially athletes with futures, get away with this stuff far too often, and it disappears. When somebody commits the crime this guy committed and gets away with it the world should work to bring attention to it.

[Sammy Sofa]

the josh lueke is a rapist stuff is really weird and gross to me on a bunch of levels

 

Yeah, on the surface I'm all like, "oh, look at this douchey beard-wearing [expletive], he deserves all the [expletive] he gets," but what the [expletive] is the endgame? How many people are actually doing it for some kind of idea of combating against something like rape culture and how many are just [expletive] hecklers? The case is vile and he sounds awful (and the article's point about it's presented as something he's trying to "grow beyond" or "put behind him" like that's something motivating him as a player is just...ugh), but the attacks just seem like flailing.

 

We just went through several days of people trying to pretend that a guy raping a woman on television wasn't actually a rape, that it turned consensual eventually, that if she thought it was rape she should have behaved differently, that it couldn't have been rape since they'd boinked a lot before, etc.

 

Far too many guys, especially athletes with futures, get away with this stuff far too often, and it disappears. When somebody commits the crime this guy committed and gets away with it the world should work to bring attention to it.

 

And...? Attention has been brought to it, and it sucks that it's been painted in some quarters as something he's trying to "learn from" or "grow beyond" or whatever the [expletive], but what else is supposed to happen? How is it not in a way cheapening the horrific thing that happened by ultimate just turning it into a sports heckle?

[jersey cubs fan]

And...? Attention has been brought to it, and it sucks that it's been painted in some quarters as something he's trying to "learn from" or "grow beyond" or whatever the [expletive], but what else is supposed to happen? How is it not in a way cheapening the horrific thing that happened by ultimate just turning it into a sports heckle?

 

I can understand not being comfortable with taking part in the discussion. I find it odd that people actively take the side of, "bringing attention to it is creepy and cheapens the horrific thing so you people bringing attention to it are in the wrong."

[SouthSideRyan]

Goony, what does your first paragraph refer to?

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think it necessarily cheapens your cause to bring along the hecklers. There's power in numbers and hecklers are easy to attract. Still wonder if there will have been any benefit a month from now when the media is over this story (other than whatever benefit it brings victims to see the justice of public opinion brought on one guy).

 

I also feel uneasy that there's probably dozens of athletes flying under the radar because they didn't get charged or there lacked sufficient evidence. It's possible we have one of our very own. This guys a scapegoat for all predators and probably not even the worst unfortunately. Are we attacking a certain culture that exists amongst powerful rich athletes or content to just spew vitriol at a single person in the culture.

[imb]

i dont want a convicted rapist/false imprisoner on my team and i certainly dont want to root for him, but i also dont want to tell a guy who was convicted, served his sentence (no matter how much of a joke it was) that everything he does from this point on is tainted. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he changed or grew or is currently in that process. I dunno, it's a shitty situation.

[Sammy Sofa]

And...? Attention has been brought to it, and it sucks that it's been painted in some quarters as something he's trying to "learn from" or "grow beyond" or whatever the [expletive], but what else is supposed to happen? How is it not in a way cheapening the horrific thing that happened by ultimate just turning it into a sports heckle?

 

I can understand not being comfortable with taking part in the discussion. I find it odd that people actively take the side of, "bringing attention to it is creepy and cheapens the horrific thing so you people bringing attention to it are in the wrong."

 

Not that they're all wrong; just that it mostly seems to be people punching blindly with no kind of endgame in sight. To hear people talk it's like the guy should be publically shamed or even should have his livelhood impacted seemingly indefinitely.

[Andy]

Goony, what does your first paragraph refer to?

I believe he's referring to the way

Game of Thrones

ended last week.

[OleMissCub]

Pineda just got tossed for having an OBVIOUS goop on his neck of all places. Hysterically obvious.

[imb]

Pineda just got tossed for having an OBVIOUS goop on his neck of all places. Hysterically obvious.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ukmNGiV.jpg

 

LMAO you arent kidding

[imb]

http://i.imgur.com/FbGvXaH.png

[imb]

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[Guest]

"I fully respect that on a cold night, you're trying to get a grip, but when it's that obvious something has got to be said." - John Farrell

 

This logic is hilarious. Go ahead and do it, just hide it a bit better.