Chicago Bulls Offseason

[17 Seconds]

except that trading for howard would leave them in the exact same position next offseason.

[chrosched]

NBA ? rose

:banghead:

[Banedon]

Ok, so Asik hasn't yet signed his offer sheet with the Rockets cuz they have to wait for ppl to pass physicals in the Camby trade.

 

Wouldn't it make sense for Garpax to go to Asik and say "Hey, we wanna match. But we can't do it with the poison pill. Let us draw up a deal with the same money over the same time, evenly distributed and we can bring you back."

 

Is there a reason Omer would turn this down?

[CubColtPacer]

Ok, so Asik hasn't yet signed his offer sheet with the Rockets cuz they have to wait for ppl to pass physicals in the Camby trade.

 

Wouldn't it make sense for Garpax to go to Asik and say "Hey, we wanna match. But we can't do it with the poison pill. Let us draw up a deal with the same money over the same time, evenly distributed and we can bring you back."

 

Is there a reason Omer would turn this down?

 

The whole point of the way the contract is structured is that the Bulls aren't allowed to pay Asik more than 5 million for the first two years since he doesn't have full bird rights and the Bulls are over the cap. This exception they've built into the rule gives the Bulls a chance to match if they want. I think if the Rockets actually got him, for salary cap purposes his money would be evenly distributed. But the Bulls aren't allowed to sign him to a contract with this total value that is evenly distributed because he would make too much money in year 1.

[Banedon]

Ok, so Asik hasn't yet signed his offer sheet with the Rockets cuz they have to wait for ppl to pass physicals in the Camby trade.

 

Wouldn't it make sense for Garpax to go to Asik and say "Hey, we wanna match. But we can't do it with the poison pill. Let us draw up a deal with the same money over the same time, evenly distributed and we can bring you back."

 

Is there a reason Omer would turn this down?

 

The whole point of the way the contract is structured is that the Bulls aren't allowed to pay Asik more than 5 million for the first two years since he doesn't have full bird rights, and the Bulls are not over the cap. This exception they've built into the rule gives the Bulls a chance to match if they want. I think if the Rockets actually got him, for salary cap purposes his money would be evenly distributed. But the Bulls aren't allowed to sign him to a contract with this total value that is evenly distributed because he would make too much money in year 1.

 

Gotcha, thanks. That clears a lot up.

[SpongeWorthy]

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Stupid literature nerds think Krause drafted Jordan and is still GM of the Bulls

[wolf stansson]

except that trading for howard would leave them in the exact same position next offseason.

With a butt load of cap space and a kickass free agent class and who knows how many stars wanting to be traded (Love).

[cubbyvirus00]

except that trading for howard would leave them in the exact same position next offseason.

With a butt load of cap space and a kickass free agent class and who knows how many stars wanting to be traded (Love).

 

Exactly. If the goal is to create cap space, then why sign Asik to a restrictive contract? Why not start shedding the dead weight now and working trades with the current Bulls players whose contracts will be gone by that FA class?

 

It boils down to GarPax currently wanting to win 44 games instead of 39. Hinrich and Asik don't add much in terms of chasing a championship. They are the kind of players you want AFTER having star players on your roster. We only have 1 at the moment.

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i thought you said the bulls would just strike out in free agency again

[Derwood]

i thought you said the bulls would just strike out in free agency again

 

well Jerry Krause didn't' like cornrows, so.....

[cubbyvirus00]

i thought you said the bulls would just strike out in free agency again

 

well Jerry Krause didn't' like cornrows, so.....

 

HA!

 

Well the chances of the Bulls striking out in free agency are good. I mean I'm not sure how Brooklyn is a better destination of winning a championship then Dallas so we can throw all common sense involving these players out the window.

 

I'd rather give Howard a shot then limping into free agency with restrictive contracts and losing players for nothing. Worst case scenario is we have a wide open roster that we can fill in free agency. Best case is we have Rose and Howard for the next 5 years.

Edited July 12, 2012 by cubbyvirus00

[wolf stansson]

i thought you said the bulls would just strike out in free agency again

I'm in a weird place because I think they need a major overhaul, but I have no faith in GarPax to do it. Paxson has long embraced safety and mediocrity and their Free Agent record is just full of awful signings. I also don't think we have what it takes to trade for Love.

Despite all of this, I still want them to try.

[Flames24Rulz]

Matching the Omer deal doesn't make any sense at all. Eventually, you're then going to have to make a decision on who you would rather amnesty between Omer and Boozer. While everyone is hoping Boozer is amnestied, that Omer contract in 14-15 is going to be asinine. He's going to be making more money than LeBron that year. You would think that he'd be the logical candidate to be amnestied that year, but everything that I've read suggests that Boozer would be amnestied before that. So you're going to amnesty a guy that is actually somewhat useful on offense and then pay a backup center $15 million?

 

In an ideal world, the Bulls don't match the Omer deal and Boozer is either amnestied after next season or 2014. Then you have quite a bit of cap space to play with in 2014 for that FA class.

 

I don't think Love is a pipedream when he's a free agent, but I have no faith in GarPax to execute a trade before his current contract ends.

[SouthSideRyan]

You can't amnesty Omer, only contracts already signed prior to the CBA

[cubbyvirus00]

Matching the Omer deal doesn't make any sense at all. Eventually, you're then going to have to make a decision on who you would rather amnesty between Omer and Boozer. While everyone is hoping Boozer is amnestied, that Omer contract in 14-15 is going to be asinine. He's going to be making more money than LeBron that year. You would think that he'd be the logical candidate to be amnestied that year, but everything that I've read suggests that Boozer would be amnestied before that. So you're going to amnesty a guy that is actually somewhat useful on offense and then pay a backup center $15 million?

 

In an ideal world, the Bulls don't match the Omer deal and Boozer is either amnestied after next season or 2014. Then you have quite a bit of cap space to play with in 2014 for that FA class.

 

I don't think Love is a pipedream when he's a free agent, but I have no faith in GarPax to execute a trade before his current contract ends.

 

That Asik deal is a bucket of fail. Just let him go. His defense is nice to have off the bench but it's not the best use of resources especially when this team is without shooters off the bench and a solid #2.

[Flames24Rulz]

You can't amnesty Omer, only contracts already signed prior to the CBA

 

Got it. Paying a backup center $15 million for a season would make Jim Hendry blush.

[Sammy Sofa]

Keeping Omer would be baffling. I don't know how they can possibly justify that with the season ahead of them.

[wolf stansson]

Keeping Omer would be baffling. I don't know how they can possibly justify that with the season ahead of them.

I think the only explanation is that Thibs loves him for his system. Which is warranted, but why would they pacify him with a bad player deal when they won't get him paid first?

[Sammy Sofa]

Keeping Omer would be baffling. I don't know how they can possibly justify that with the season ahead of them.

I think the only explanation is that Thibs loves him for his system. Which is warranted, but why would they pacify him with a bad player deal when they won't get him paid first?

 

Like I said: baffling. It makes no sense.

[Banedon]

Unless they're telegraphing that they'd match in order to try to get Houston to agree to work on a sign and trade?

[Banedon]

So the Rockets are trying to get a Dwight Howard deal done now. But they've verbally committed to an offer sheet to Lin and Asik (even though they haven't actually submitted those offer sheets yet). An ESPN article speculates that they may be secretly hoping that the Bulls/Knicks match. But that they're confident that even if the Bulls don't match on Asik, that they can still get Howard in there.

 

Stay tuned.

[Old Style]

Can the Rockets decide not to sign Asik to an offer sheet at this point?

[Banedon]

Can the Rockets decide not to sign Asik to an offer sheet at this point?

 

Technically yes. Realistically, probably not. They'd be damaging their ability to negotiate this kind of thing in the future with players and agents.

 

Also, the Rockets will amnesty Luis Scola with 3 years $21 million left on his deal.

 

How about a sign and trade with Asik/Scola? Seems like a better deal than matching Asik. Probably a salary cap issue though?

[Flames24Rulz]

How about a sign and trade with Asik/Scola? Seems like a better deal than matching Asik. Probably a salary cap issue though?

 

Houston wants to free up enough space where they can absorb two max contracts.

[Banedon]

How about a sign and trade with Asik/Scola? Seems like a better deal than matching Asik. Probably a salary cap issue though?

 

Houston wants to free up enough space where they can absorb two max contracts.

 

Ok, but if they're gonna take on Asik anyway, by doing a sign and trade with us, they can get rid of Scola without burning the amnesty.