Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[17 Seconds]

yea, i don't buy it. the narrative doesn't even make sense.

 

it's in ryan's best interest for the cubs to get some leverage back with LA, so i'm guessing this is what this is all about. i still think he'll accept a trade to atlanta if he's 100% sure the dodgers deal isn't happening.

 

the fact that the braves are apparently out on greinke could be good news.

[Guest]

yea, i don't buy it. the narrative doesn't even make sense.

 

You can doubt the truth of the narrative, but it seems to fit just fine to me.

 

- Cubs agree to terms with the Braves

- Dempster hems and haws, not wanting to close the door on LA with so far to go til the trading deadline

- Braves say they're done as a way of saying "we're not going to ignore other options while Dempster hems and haws"

- Cubs aren't able to agree with LA after days of trying, and Dempster relents on going somewhere besides LA

 

Maybe Atlanta really had their feelings hurt about the ordeal and have zero interest in any Dempster deal anymore(which would be a really stupid thing for a Major League organization to do), or maybe after more time has passed they found a better deal for themselves. But the sequence of events isn't out of place to me.

[toonsterwu]

I've been thankfully too busy to follow this debacle. I'd love to be a fly on the wall inside. I'm disappointed with Dempster for hampering the Cubs ability to make moves, but well, he earned 10/5 rights, and it is what it is. The ideal scenario would've been to send Dempster to Atlanta and have Garza go to LA.

 

I really wonder what happened. The fact that the Cubs tried to keep this under wraps, but the Atlanta reporters leaked it out, makes me wonder if they knew that Ryan was pushing for the Dodgers that much harder. Whatever the case, it's a debacle right now, for Ryan's image, and for the Cubs ability to make moves. That said, it is what it is, and the Cubs were aware of his 10/5 rights.

 

At the end of the day, much as bringing him back at, whatever the number was, 13+ mil?, sounds like a decent fallback, I tend to think that the Cubs will probably end up moving him if they get any decent assets back. I imagine they'll probably push this up to the deadline, with the Cubs perhaps holding firm on Allen Webster, so the best hope now is that the Dodgers don't land a SP before then.

 

Guess a Garza decision is on the backburner until then.

[jersey cubs fan]

wait, who just deleted a post?

[17 Seconds]

yea, i don't buy it. the narrative doesn't even make sense.

 

You can doubt the truth of the narrative, but it seems to fit just fine to me.

 

- Cubs agree to terms with the Braves

- Dempster hems and haws, not wanting to close the door on LA with so far to go til the trading deadline

- Braves say they're done as a way of saying "we're not going to ignore other options while Dempster hems and haws"

- Cubs aren't able to agree with LA after days of trying, and Dempster relents on going somewhere besides LA

 

Maybe Atlanta really had their feelings hurt about the ordeal and have zero interest in any Dempster deal anymore(which would be a really stupid thing for a Major League organization to do), or maybe after more time has passed they found a better deal for themselves. But the sequence of events isn't out of place to me.

 

it was this line that didn't really make sense to me, but it might just be tricky wording by levine

 

Dempster will consider a number of teams, including the Atlanta Braves and Dodgers, if the Cubs come to him with a deal in place, the source said.

 

what does this even mean? "he'll consider any deals that the cubs present to him..... except he'll definitely veto all of them if it's not LA"

[Guest]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

[Guest]

Yeah, it's hard to tell what to take word for word literally and what to take directionally. I took that to mean that Dempster is basically backing off the "LA or bust" outlook he's seemingly had since Monday.

[jersey cubs fan]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

 

That is effectively a veto, there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

[Guest]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

 

That is effectively a veto, there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

 

There is for the purposes of interpreting that report.

 

For all we know, his position was (if the Braves and that trade are still around) that he'd take that trade at the 11th hour if nothing materialized with LA because he'd still rather be in Atlanta than here.

[jersey cubs fan]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

 

That is effectively a veto, there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

 

There is for the purposes of interpreting that report.

 

For all we know, his position was (if the Braves and that trade are still around) that he'd take that trade at the 11th hour if nothing materialized with LA because he'd still rather be in Atlanta than here.

 

We know he didn't accept the deal in place that was presented to him. That's a veto. He can say whatever he wants about considering the next one, but he vetoed the one that is now off the table.

[XZero771679666304]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

 

That is effectively a veto, there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

 

It was a "I don't want to go there" and not a "I absolutely will not go there". He's protracting things to see if he can get his way.

 

The only thing abundantly clear is that he was/is holding out for Los Angeles. Whether he maintains that stance in in the face of having to stay (perhaps beyond this year) remains to be seen.

[17 Seconds]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

 

well, you know what i mean. not veto them outright but do this whole "i might accept it... later" routine.

[17 Seconds]

i still think we get delgado, btw. or webster at the worst. i have faith in theo and jed.

[XZero771679666304]

i still think we get delgado, btw. or webster at the worst. i have faith in theo and jed.

 

It's a faint hope, but I'm not ruling Delgado out until the Braves add another SP.

[toonsterwu]

i still think we get delgado, btw. or webster at the worst. i have faith in theo and jed.

 

You know ... there's an argument to be made for Webster being more intriguing of a SP prospect than Delgado. Delgado's safer, on account of being more polished and being closer to ready.

 

Tbh, when the whole Dempster talks began, I never thought we'd be in contention to get guys like Delgado or Webster. I was thinking more of the Garrett Gould types, a low level pitcher with upside.

[ConstableRabbit]

As far as any of us knows, Dempster hasn't vetoed any trade yet.

 

What he did do was basically not answer.

That's still a veto.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto

[toonsterwu]

yea, i don't buy it. the narrative doesn't even make sense.

 

You can doubt the truth of the narrative, but it seems to fit just fine to me.

 

- Cubs agree to terms with the Braves

- Dempster hems and haws, not wanting to close the door on LA with so far to go til the trading deadline

- Braves say they're done as a way of saying "we're not going to ignore other options while Dempster hems and haws"

- Cubs aren't able to agree with LA after days of trying, and Dempster relents on going somewhere besides LA

 

Maybe Atlanta really had their feelings hurt about the ordeal and have zero interest in any Dempster deal anymore(which would be a really stupid thing for a Major League organization to do), or maybe after more time has passed they found a better deal for themselves. But the sequence of events isn't out of place to me.

 

it was this line that didn't really make sense to me, but it might just be tricky wording by levine

 

Dempster will consider a number of teams, including the Atlanta Braves and Dodgers, if the Cubs come to him with a deal in place, the source said.

 

what does this even mean? "he'll consider any deals that the cubs present to him..... except he'll definitely veto all of them if it's not LA"

 

Well ... if we stretch it out a bit ... could it be possible that the Cubs never got around to presenting him a deal before the word leaked out on the Atlanta thing, and Dempster summarily went to them and told them to redouble their efforts on LA. Another possibility could be that they never took the deal to Dempster, but to his agents, so Dempster was never presented with a deal.

 

I'm stretching, but I've often found that there's usually some kernel of truths to most reports (from legitimate sources that is), however big or small.

 

One wonders if the Cubs intent was to wait on this thing as long as possible and see if Dempster would eventually budge, hence why they weren't happy with the leaks on the Atlanta side. I'm mildly curious what the Dodgers are offering right now, if they won't budge on Allen Webster as of now.

[Guest]

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Dempster-may-be-willing-to-look-at-other?blockID=747397&feedID=10336&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Sources also confirmed to me today that Dempster has not told Cubs management that he will only play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. His position appears to be that he will consider any option that sends him to a team with a chance to win a World Series. The sticking point with the original deal with Atlanta was the fact that by making the trade early in the week it eliminated any chance for LA to increase its offer and Dempster wanted time to give the Dodgers a chance to increase their proposal so that he could play out west and with Ted Lilly.

 

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer according to two formers GM’s who have negotiated against them in the past will not cave in just to make a deal. If the Dodgers do not increase their offer the Cubs may engage in serious talks with several other teams in the market for starting pitching and if they can find an acceptable deal they would then present that opportunity to Dempster. As we draw closer to the July 31st deadline the Cubs will find out just how serious the 35 year old Dempster is about wanting to pitch in a pennant race this fall.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Dempster-may-be-willing-to-look-at-other?blockID=747397&feedID=10336&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Ryan Dempster begged me and since I am nothing but a pathetic jock sniffer I agreed to say that Dempster has not told Cubs management that he will only play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. His position appears to be that he will consider any option that sends him to a team with a chance to win a World Series. The sticking point with the original deal with Atlanta was the fact that by making the trade early in the week it eliminated any chance for LA to increase its offer and Dempster wanted time to give the Dodgers a chance to increase their proposal so that he could play out west and with Ted Lilly.

 

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer according to two formers GM’s who have negotiated against them in the past will not cave in just to make a deal. If the Dodgers do not increase their offer the Cubs may engage in serious talks with several other teams in the market for starting pitching and if they can find an acceptable deal they would then present that opportunity to Dempster. As we draw closer to the July 31st deadline the Cubs will find out just how serious the 35 year old Dempster is about wanting to pitch in a pennant race this fall.

[NOLA]

Here are exerpts of a radio interview with Braves GM Frank Wren. Nothing too new, other than backing up what a lot of us thought unfolded.

 

ON WHAT HAPPENED TO LOSE DEMPSTER DEAL: ``In his case, from my understanding - and I'm only getting it second hand from the Cubs - they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were use and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he'd like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren't really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn't know this was coming down.''

 

"We were moving on from the time we heard that there was the potential for another club really where he wanted to go, and he had a lot of personal reasons for that."

 

http://blogs.suntimes.com/cubs/2012/07/braves_wren_chicago_cubs_dempster_nixe.html

[El Duderino]

Here are exerpts of a radio interview with Braves GM Frank Wren. Nothing too new, other than backing up what a lot of us thought unfolded.

 

ON WHAT HAPPENED TO LOSE DEMPSTER DEAL: ``In his case, from my understanding - and I'm only getting it second hand from the Cubs - they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were use and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he'd like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren't really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn't know this was coming down.''

 

"We were moving on from the time we heard that there was the potential for another club really where he wanted to go, and he had a lot of personal reasons for that."

 

http://blogs.suntimes.com/cubs/2012/07/braves_wren_chicago_cubs_dempster_nixe.html

 

Really old, sorry.

[NOLA]

My bad then. I thought I had read all of the last gazillion pages, but my head was aching and I stopped.

 

As you were.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@Ken_Rosenthal: BREAKING: #Angels close to acquiring Zack Greinke from #Brewers, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.

 

That would certainly be good news for our cause.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Deal is done: Greinke to #Angels, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.

 

And it's done. Supposedly.

 

@Ken_Rosenthal: #Brewers getting shortstop Jean Segura and two Double A pitchers from #Angels for Greinke. "Finishing touches" being applied. Deal is done.

[CubsWin]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Deal is done: Greinke to #Angels, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.

 

And it's done. Supposedly.

 

@Ken_Rosenthal: #Brewers getting shortstop Jean Segura and two Double A pitchers from #Angels for Greinke. "Finishing touches" being applied. Deal is done.

Brewers got Segura who was a top 60ish prospect coming into this season, John Hellweg (Angels #4 prospect) and Ariel Pena (Angels #9 prospect) for a two month rental of Greinke.

 

3 top 10 prospects from the Angels org with one of them being top 60ish overall. Kinda justifies the Cubs holding out for more from the Dodgers.