Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[Smack]

Edit: Forgot to add that, as of now, neither international freshman (Perea and Jurkin) has been cleared academically (though I suspect they will).

 

How can that be? Exhibition games start this week?

[Exile on Waveland]

Edit: Forgot to add that, as of now, neither international freshman (Perea and Jurkin) has been cleared academically (though I suspect they will).

 

How can that be? Exhibition games start this week?

 

The NCAA Clearinghouse has to clear every player, and this (naturally) takes longer for international players. It's not unusual for such decisions to be made right before the season or even after a few games (Guy-Marc Michel was declared ineligible a couple games into the season two years ago; though neither Perea nor Jurkin would have the same issue as him). Like I said, I suspect both will be cleared, eventually; and, practically, it does not yet matter this year as Perea is hurt right now and I doubt Jurkin is a factor. Obviously, though if either is not cleared, then there's a pretty big interior hole for coming seasons and more recruits would be needed to fill that hole.

[rawaction]

Whats Perea's injury?

[Exile on Waveland]

Foot injury. He's been in a walking boot on and off this summer. He didn't participate in the recent scrimmage. At this point, even if cleared, I'm concerned this is something that will linger for awhile.

[illiniguy]

I know these kids are getting their diplomas and everyone recruits over now, but man if it doesn't seem crappy of Crean to run all the kids off who committed to IU when it was toxic. This is assuming that creek also doesnt get his fifth year.

[Exile on Waveland]

Without getting into previous instances -- though I would vehemently disagree with the "all the kids off" statement -- my post was merely conjecture regarding Creek. And it wasn't even conjecture about him being "ran off." It's my guess that his next (impending?) injury will end his career. At that point, next year he could chose to go on medical hardship scholarship or leave school having graduated. That's entirely different than IU telling him he can't return on basketball scholarship for a fifth year (edit: which could happen too, considering Roth wasn't given a sixth year).

[illiniguy]

Without getting into previous instances -- though I would vehemently disagree with the "all the kids off" statement -- my post was merely conjecture regarding Creek. And it wasn't even conjecture about him being "ran off." It's my guess that his next (impending?) injury will end his career. At that point, next year he could chose to go on medical hardship scholarship or leave school having graduated. That's entirely different than IU telling him he can't return on basketball scholarship for a fifth year (edit: which could happen too, considering Roth wasn't given a sixth year).

I know and we did the same thing to Semrau. Just seems like a crappy way to do business. The NCAA really favors the coaches over the kids.

[Guest]

Without getting into previous instances -- though I would vehemently disagree with the "all the kids off" statement -- my post was merely conjecture regarding Creek. And it wasn't even conjecture about him being "ran off." It's my guess that his next (impending?) injury will end his career. At that point, next year he could chose to go on medical hardship scholarship or leave school having graduated. That's entirely different than IU telling him he can't return on basketball scholarship for a fifth year (edit: which could happen too, considering Roth wasn't given a sixth year).

I know and we did the same thing to Semrau. Just seems like a crappy way to do business. The NCAA really favors the coaches over the kids.

Rephrase that as dollars over kids and I think you've got it.

[Exile on Waveland]

Without getting into previous instances -- though I would vehemently disagree with the "all the kids off" statement -- my post was merely conjecture regarding Creek. And it wasn't even conjecture about him being "ran off." It's my guess that his next (impending?) injury will end his career. At that point, next year he could chose to go on medical hardship scholarship or leave school having graduated. That's entirely different than IU telling him he can't return on basketball scholarship for a fifth year (edit: which could happen too, considering Roth wasn't given a sixth year).

I know and we did the same thing to Semrau. Just seems like a crappy way to do business. The NCAA really favors the coaches over the kids.

 

The over-signing makes sense from the coach's perspective -- if not, you could easily be left short if multiple players leave early/transfer/whatever. That said, I'm rather uncomfortable with the situations it can create (like Capobianco; Roth was unfortunate, though I wouldn't say unseemly). If you keep doing it, it's likely to go wrong and look very bad one year. Forcing players out is undeniably bad for college athletics.

[snoodmonger]

Edit: Forgot to add that, as of now, neither international freshman (Perea and Jurkin) has been cleared academically (though I suspect they will).

 

How can that be? Exhibition games start this week?

 

 

Doesn't matter. The decision can come after the season starts. Happened at KU to someone recently. Selby maybe?

[SouthSideRyan]

The saddest part about it is a Capobianco gets told to leave, and he loses a year due to "transferring"

[Smack]

The saddest part about it is a Capobianco gets told to leave, and he loses a year due to "transferring"

 

I like it when they show up on campus and there is no scholarship on day one.

[Bruno7481]

The saddest part about it is a Capobianco gets told to leave, and he loses a year due to "transferring"

 

I like it when they show up on campus and there is no scholarship on day one.

 

Example?

[hawkeyecub]

Pomeroy's ratings are now up. http://kenpom.com/

 

He has OSU (13-5), IU (13-5), MSU (12-6), Wisconsin (12-6) 2-5, Michigan(10-8) 12, Minnesota (9-9) 26, Purdue (9-9) 37, Iowa (8-10) 53, Illinois (7-11) 54, PSU (7-11) 67, Northwestern (6-12) 90 and Nebraska (2-16) 216.

[illiniguy]

Without getting into previous instances -- though I would vehemently disagree with the "all the kids off" statement -- my post was merely conjecture regarding Creek. And it wasn't even conjecture about him being "ran off." It's my guess that his next (impending?) injury will end his career. At that point, next year he could chose to go on medical hardship scholarship or leave school having graduated. That's entirely different than IU telling him he can't return on basketball scholarship for a fifth year (edit: which could happen too, considering Roth wasn't given a sixth year).

I know and we did the same thing to Semrau. Just seems like a crappy way to do business. The NCAA really favors the coaches over the kids.

Rephrase that as dollars over kids and I think you've got it.

Ok that's very true.

[Exile on Waveland]

The saddest part about it is a Capobianco gets told to leave, and he loses a year due to "transferring"

 

I like it when they show up on campus and there is no scholarship on day one.

 

Example?

 

You know what he's going to say. Some will never accept that the university has a contingency admission program and students (including quite a few I knew) have to make grades in the summer to gain full admission. Nor that there actually was a player going off-scholarship to pay his own way. Nor that IU actually wanted the player who is going to be a very good four-year player, is from Indianapolis, and played for Indiana Elite (remember last summer when there was a conspiracy between IU and Indiana Elite, but now IU is screwing one such player over?). There are always dark shadows behind things you dislike.

[Smack]

He passed the NCAA and B1G requirements and 16 schools reached out to him after he got dumped? Sounds like there was no way he could read or write. Or maybe IU is the Harvard of the B1G now.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/62498/ron-pattersons-services-in-high-demand

 

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one. Do any of you think that Crean is done recruiting 2013? If Anya calls up today and says he wants in, he's in.

[Exile on Waveland]

He passed the NCAA and B1G requirements and 16 schools reached out to him after he got dumped? Sounds like there was no way he could read or write. Or maybe IU is the Harvard of the B1G now.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/62498/ron-pattersons-services-in-high-demand

 

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one. Do any of you think that Crean is done recruiting 2013? If Anya calls up today and says he wants in, he's in.

 

Or it's possible after the farcical academic situation that was the Sampson era, IU has become a bit more careful and/or given less leeway to basketball players. That would be commendable, not deplorable.

 

And of course programs want Ron Patterson. That's a big part of my point. IU wanted him. He's almost certain to be a better college player than Austin Etherington or Peter Jurkin or Remy Abell (and no program, at this point, would chose Maurice Creek or probably Derek Elston over him). This wasn't the worst player on the team being moved on (i.e., Capobianco), it was an in-state player, from the key AAU program, with a bright future leaving. It was not a good thing for IU. (Further, circumstantially, we've heard nothing from Patterson, his parents, his high school coach, or his AAU coach, stating otherwise. If this was a sham, I find it hard to believe they'd all be silent. Because, if this was a sham, not only would it put Crean/the basketball program in a bad light, the entire university would be smeared -- it wasn't the basketball program, but the university itself that did not fully admit Patterson, meaning the academic side would be covering up for the basketball program (which would be worse than the Sampson debacle)).

 

No, I seriously doubt Crean is done recruiting in 2013 (though IU wants Vonleh more than Anya, of course). And the potential ramifications of that scare me. I think that was clear in previous posts.

[SouthSideRyan]

Or it's possible after the farcical academic situation that was the Sampson era, IU has become a bit more careful and/or given less leeway to basketball players. That would be commendable, not deplorable.

 

Devan Dumes

[Exile on Waveland]

Or it's possible after the farcical academic situation that was the Sampson era, IU has become a bit more careful and/or given less leeway to basketball players. That would be commendable, not deplorable.

 

Devan Dumes

 

It's been awhile, honestly, what are we talking about here? The sucker punches were obviously not good, but I'm forgetting any academic issues. (I spoke to him when he was in high school and he seemed bright enough, for what that's worth.)

[fiver]

Why were the Davis and Hartman commitments accepted so early (almost two years ago)? Clearly, they haven't progressed as much as Crean thought they would. How likely is it that Vonleh chooses IU?

[Exile on Waveland]

Why were the Davis and Hartman commitments accepted so early (almost two years ago)? Clearly, they haven't progressed as much as Crean thought they would. How likely is it that Vonleh chooses IU?

 

At the time, they were, at least, arguably the best two players in the state in their class and IU was not yet recruiting at its current level. Both commitments were roundly celebrated at the time. On the specific players, I doubt you'd hear many complaints from Crean regarding Davis. He's tough, athletic, relentless, should be a good college player, and is perfect for Crean's system. As for Hartman, he is smart player that does several things well; however, I suspect Crean would like to have that one back. (This will always be an issue as long as Crean takes commitments so early.)

 

As for Vonleh, I wouldn't call it "likely" but it certainly is possible. They may have as good as chance as anyone, but I'm not sure there's a leader. In the end, I suspect he'll stay in the east somewhere.

[SouthSideRyan]

Or it's possible after the farcical academic situation that was the Sampson era, IU has become a bit more careful and/or given less leeway to basketball players. That would be commendable, not deplorable.

 

Devan Dumes

 

It's been awhile, honestly, what are we talking about here? The sucker punches were obviously not good, but I'm forgetting any academic issues. (I spoke to him when he was in high school and he seemed bright enough, for what that's worth.)

 

I was mostly remembering his play and the fact that he was a JUCO.

[Exile on Waveland]

Or it's possible after the farcical academic situation that was the Sampson era, IU has become a bit more careful and/or given less leeway to basketball players. That would be commendable, not deplorable.

 

Devan Dumes

 

It's been awhile, honestly, what are we talking about here? The sucker punches were obviously not good, but I'm forgetting any academic issues. (I spoke to him when he was in high school and he seemed bright enough, for what that's worth.)

 

I was mostly remembering his play and the fact that he was a JUCO.

 

He started at Eastern Michigan before going JUCO (Vincennes) for a year. I have no idea if that says good or bad things about his academics, though.

[tadowdaddy]

And the days of Bruceketball at KSU begin today. Let's see how well he's embraced by the pro-Frank crowd!