Game 14: SEAHAWKS @ CHICAGO 12:00 PM and off season talk

[rawaction]

We can take a flyer on one in rounds 4 thru 7, I guess. But I want Desean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Vincent Jackson. And while we're at it, Fred Davis at TE as well. Sign a solid Offensive Lineman, draft DE, CB, S, and OL with your 4 picks inside the 1st 3 rounds.

 

I understand the thinking, I really do. But I think signing a FA WR could go terribly wrong. You're looking at $25Mil guaranteed and about $50Mil over 5 years for any of those 3 WRs. D Jackson clearly has some issues, whether team, production or character related. V Jackson is going to be 29 and has had some off field issues along with contract disputes. Bowe is young, but he's disappeared for games at a time or seasons at a time in 2009. He's had several games with 3 or fewer catches. He's had several games under 35 yards. Obviously with a draft pick you take some risk too, but not a $25Mil guaranteed risk. Plus, it's not like the offense is in do-or-die mode. Very young nucleus on offense all around. Improved greatly this year without a top talent at WR (when Cutler was healthy). They have time to develop a WR.

 

As for the OL, I think everyone would love the Bears to go out and sign a very good offensive lineman. But I don't think that's realistic. If they were going to sign someone, they would have done it this offseason. Now, they finally have some young talent on the OL. Webb has been greatly improved this year. He's 23, they aren't going to toss him aside. Chris Williams was playing like a top 5-10 OG in the league before he went down. His first year starting at LG from day 1. Carimi isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Lance Louis has struggled recently at RT, but there's no reason he can't still have a strong future at RG. And at C you have both Garza and Spencer under contract. I think you could see a Peter Konz (Carimi's UW roommate) or a mid-to-late round OL picked up, but I don't think the Bears will spend at the position, considering they have 7 players (including Edwin Williams) who have played at a decent level at some point on the OL this season.

I'm OK with how the line showed progress on an individual level. Webb, Louis, and Williams all showed some semblance of improvement. Adding Carimi to the mix is kind of like having an extra 1st next year. I'm not expecting a star to be added here, but a starter, who may be capable of playing both guard and tackle. On the WR note, I'll just disagree about having time to develop one. Our offense needs to be firing next year on all cylinders. Because our D's window is closing, even if we draft heavily there most likely. Just as we're seeing with the Cubs, these WR's all have some sort of flaws. But they also have been bigtime producers and would certainly make teams gameplan differently against us. I honestly think it should be our one "must have" through FA. We've certainly got the cash to do it anyway. To me, it's time to take a risk or two.

 

I think the window of the defense is overblown. Granted the 4 best players on D are Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers and Tillman who are all 30 or over, but the rest of the D is pretty young. Melton, Paea, Okoye, Moore, Conte, and Wright are all major contributors who are young. And there's still Wootton, JT Thomas, and DeCicco who could still develop. Granted, none of the young guys project to be stars (maybe Melton or Paea could be) but I think if you draft an early DE and CB this year and you have your potential stars. Briggs is a great player, but I this scheme is geared for the WLB to make plays (Jamar Williams had 20 tackles in a start a couple years ago). Urlacher will be tough to replace, but you're not going to groom his replacement with a mid-round pick. Going to need to find a special player to replace him, and I think you wait to do with a 1st round pick when you absolutely have to. LB is probably the strongest position in the draft year-in and year-out.

[rawaction]

I love Konz

 

Yeah, he's Carimi at C. He's huge (6-5, 315 ish), strong as an ox, physical as they come, and surprisingly a really good athlete for his size. Even with Garza, I would hope if Tice is the OC and has some say-so in personnel decisions that he would go back to UW for the 1st round pick. His son played for Wisconsin and he fell in love with Carimi going to games. I don't see how the same couldn't be true of Konz.

 

That being said, I do understand if they don't pick Konz. WR is probably a bigger need and DE and CB will also be considered in the 1st. But I'd still like to grab a C by the 3rd/4th round. Really like Ben Jones- UGA and Mike Brewster tOSU also in the 2nd/3rd round range.

 

One way to do is it to try and have a good line and good receivers, spreading around your talent, but another option is always trying to build a dominant line, which is going to make your WRs more effective, almost by default.

 

Agreed. And I think you get more bang for your buck with a 1st round OL and a 2nd round WR. The dropoff at WR is never as large as it is for the OL from round to round.

[jersey cubs fan]

Agreed. And I think you get more bang for your buck with a 1st round OL and a 2nd round WR. The dropoff at WR is never as large as it is for the OL from round to round.

 

Yeah, a 2nd rate WR can be useful, a 2nd rate linemen can get your QB killed. I would be happy as well with Cutler and a very strong line, with a never ending rotation of 2nd rate skill position guys.

[Banedon]

Chicago Bears receiver Sam Hurd was arrested Wednesday night in Chicago on federal charges after allegedly attempting to purchase drugs from a North Texas supplier, the Dallas Morning News reported.

 

The investigation is being handled by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in Dallas, authorities told the Morning News.

[jersey cubs fan]

Chicago Bears receiver Sam Hurd was arrested Wednesday night in Chicago on federal charges after allegedly attempting to purchase drugs from a North Texas supplier, the Dallas Morning News reported.

 

The investigation is being handled by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in Dallas, authorities told the Morning News.

 

They arrested the wrong former Cowboy.

[Old Style]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

[Banedon]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

[jersey cubs fan]

According to the affidavit, one of Hurd's associates had been negotiating a major drug buy with a criminal informant in July, which caused federal investigators to stop a vehicle that Hurd owned. They seized a bag full of marijuana and $88,000 in cash.

 

Later this year, per the complaint, Hurd's people resumed negotiations for the cocaine, and Hurd got involved face-to-face. He told the federal agent that he wanted to purchase five to ten kilos of cocaine, and 1,000 pounds of marijuana, per week, to deal in Chicago. He then allegedly received a kilo of coke from the agent, at which point they arrested him.

 

So he and/or his people were busted in July with marijuana and cash, and then he still went through with a potential multi-kilo purchase of cocaine. These agents must have thought they were dealing with the dumbest dealer in history.

[jersey cubs fan]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

 

 

you are?

[Banedon]

I am ashamed.

[Old Style]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

Considering he had a major part in blowing the last 2 games which is going to keep us out of the playoffs, how am I supposed to feel towards him?

[Banedon]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

Considering he had a major part in blowing the last 2 games which is going to keep us out of the playoffs, how am I supposed to feel towards him?

 

Well that's a stretch. Even if gets a TD in the Chiefs game, that's no assurance we win. Roy Williams could've made a TD catch in that game too. Putting that game on Barber is really looking for something.

 

The reason the Bears may miss the playoffs are not because of Marion Barber. The guy has made a few mistakes lately, but overall, has been a quality backup RB.

[jersey cubs fan]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

Considering he had a major part in blowing the last 2 games which is going to keep us out of the playoffs, how am I supposed to feel towards him?

 

Well that's a stretch. Even if gets a TD in the Chiefs game, that's no assurance we win. Roy Williams could've made a TD catch in that game too. Putting that game on Barber is really looking for something.

 

The reason the Bears may miss the playoffs are not because of Marion Barber. The guy has made a few mistakes lately, but overall, has been a quality backup RB.

 

What did he do in the KC game that is a problem?

[Banedon]

All 3 are [expletive] losers.

 

You're Marion Barber hatred is amusing.

Considering he had a major part in blowing the last 2 games which is going to keep us out of the playoffs, how am I supposed to feel towards him?

 

Well that's a stretch. Even if gets a TD in the Chiefs game, that's no assurance we win. Roy Williams could've made a TD catch in that game too. Putting that game on Barber is really looking for something.

 

The reason the Bears may miss the playoffs are not because of Marion Barber. The guy has made a few mistakes lately, but overall, has been a quality backup RB.

 

What did he do in the KC game that is a problem?

 

Illegal formation on the goalline play where he was left uncovered. He didn't line up on the line of scrimmage.

[Old Style]

The KC game is not completely on Barber, but his stupidity cost us a TD in a game we lost by 7 points. Roy also dropped a TD pass that hit him in the [expletive] hands. Barber's stupidity also cost us the Denver game. I'm not sure how you can dispute that. Sure there are other plays that could have won those games for us, but you can't deny that he has had a major hand in the Bears last two losses which has killed our playoff hopes. Edited December 15, 2011 by Old Style

[Guest]

Didn't step up to the line when he was all alone at the goal line, wiping out that score with the formation penalty.

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't step up to the line when he was all alone at the goal line, wiping out that score with the formation penalty.

 

My interpretation of that play was he was sent in motion to the outside and the ball was quickly snapped to take advantage of how wide open he was. You can't go up to the line in motion, you have to go up and bet set before the ball is snapped.

[Banedon]

The KC game is not completely on Barber, but his stupidity cost us a TD in a game we lost by 7 points. Roy also dropped a TD pass that hit him in the [expletive] hands. Barber's stupidity also cost us the Denver game. I'm not sure how you can dispute that. Sure there are other plays that could have won those games for us, but you can't deny that he has had a major hand in the Bears last two losses which has killed our playoff hopes.

 

I deny that he had a "major hand" in the KC loss.

 

I'm fine with that characterization of the Denver loss.

 

Barber has still played well overall for the Bears.

[jersey cubs fan]

The KC game is not completely on Barber, but his stupidity cost us a TD in a game we lost by 7 points. Roy also dropped a TD pass that hit him in the [expletive] hands. Barber's stupidity also cost us the Denver game. I'm not sure how you can dispute that. Sure there are other plays that could have won those games for us, but you can't deny that he has had a major hand in the Bears last two losses which has killed our playoff hopes.

 

But Barber is pretty stupid and it seems the coaches didn't do enough to make sure he knew to stay in bounds, or put a smarter player in there to have him stay in bounds.

[Careless]

wow, he was trying to buy a LOT of drugs

Hurd told an undercover agent that he wanted up to 10 kilograms of cocaine and a half ton of marijuana per week that he could distribute in the Chicago area. According to the document, Hurd told the agent that he would pay $25,000 per kilogram of cocaine and $450 per pound for the marijuana.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-bears-receiver-hurd-arrested-on-drug-charges-20111215,0,461077.story

[UMFan83]

I dont necessarily hate Barber but I will blame him for missing the playoffs if winning that game would have gotten us in.

[SouthSideRyan]

wow, he was trying to buy a LOT of drugs

Hurd told an undercover agent that he wanted up to 10 kilograms of cocaine and a half ton of marijuana per week that he could distribute in the Chicago area. According to the document, Hurd told the agent that he would pay $25,000 per kilogram of cocaine and $450 per pound for the marijuana.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-bears-receiver-hurd-arrested-on-drug-charges-20111215,0,461077.story

 

$700,000 per week. That's a spicy meatball.

[Butterscup1679666578]

im in the wrong business

[Pushfrog98]

Sheesh, has he never watched Breaking Bad? It's a myth that if you ask someone if they are a cop, they have to say they the truth if they are one.

[minnesotacubsfan]

im in the wrong business

 

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