Known Liar&Cheater Ryan Braun Caught Lying&Cheating Again

[NonProfitCow]

So anyway, if CDT has instructed their collectors to keep the samples in their homes rather than taking them directly to FedEx and the arbiter rules that the CBA says otherwise, doesn't pretty much every person who tested positive after their respective FedEx was closed have a case?

I have a feeling some agents knew about this loophole and were just waiting.

[SouthSideRyan]

My guess is there's no specific wording in the CBA saying what constitutes a timely manner or a chain of custody intact, or whatever it is that he won on so one arbiter could view it as an acceptable process and another won't.

[treebird]

My guess is there's no specific wording in the CBA saying what constitutes a timely manner or a chain of custody intact, or whatever it is that he won on so one arbiter could view it as an acceptable process and another won't.

 

i really have to think that mlb was completely blindsided by this "taking the sample home and putting it in your fridge is unacceptable" argument. or the arbiter was a complete moron (very possible!), but you would think that presenting information on how this is standard operating procedure in this and other industries that do this sort of testing would be enough to stifle the argument. hopefully mlb just had no idea this was going to be something they had to discuss and was unprepared to talk about it. if that's not the case and the arbiter threw out the suspension in spite of the fact that mlb cogently argued that everyone involved did exactly what they were supposed to, that's a lot more frightening.

[UMFan83]

My guess is there's no specific wording in the CBA saying what constitutes a timely manner or a chain of custody intact, or whatever it is that he won on so one arbiter could view it as an acceptable process and another won't.

 

Right but at least now there's precedent out there making it easier to win these cases. Obviously every situation is different (ie what if its just overnight, what if its 36 hours, etc), but its gonna be a lot easier to win these things if they continue to hold onto the samples on the weekend.

 

Also, to the comment before, I wonder if that's the case because right off the bat Braun sounded confident that he'd get this overturned. Obviously every player busted that is planning to fight says the same thing, but I just got the impression based on whatever he said that he knew he'd have a good chance of getting it overturned.

[Tracer Bullet]

My guess is there's no specific wording in the CBA saying what constitutes a timely manner or a chain of custody intact, or whatever it is that he won on so one arbiter could view it as an acceptable process and another won't.

 

i really have to think that mlb was completely blindsided by this "taking the sample home and putting it in your fridge is unacceptable" argument. or the arbiter was a complete moron (very possible!), but you would think that presenting information on how this is standard operating procedure in this and other industries that do this sort of testing would be enough to stifle the argument. hopefully mlb just had no idea this was going to be something they had to discuss and was unprepared to talk about it. if that's not the case and the arbiter threw out the suspension in spite of the fact that mlb cogently argued that everyone involved did exactly what they were supposed to, that's a lot more frightening.

 

Yeah either they were blindsided or this will be the seminal decision that will mean all future testing will be done early enough to get the samples to FedEx. It's really sort of scary that the guy followed protocol and they threw out the results.

[SouthSideRyan]

My guess is there's no specific wording in the CBA saying what constitutes a timely manner or a chain of custody intact, or whatever it is that he won on so one arbiter could view it as an acceptable process and another won't.

 

i really have to think that mlb was completely blindsided by this "taking the sample home and putting it in your fridge is unacceptable" argument. or the arbiter was a complete moron (very possible!), but you would think that presenting information on how this is standard operating procedure in this and other industries that do this sort of testing would be enough to stifle the argument. hopefully mlb just had no idea this was going to be something they had to discuss and was unprepared to talk about it. if that's not the case and the arbiter threw out the suspension in spite of the fact that mlb cogently argued that everyone involved did exactly what they were supposed to, that's a lot more frightening.

 

Yeah either they were blindsided or this will be the seminal decision that will mean all future testing will be done early enough to get the samples to FedEx. It's really sort of scary that the guy followed protocol and they threw out the results.

 

He followed protocol of CDT. Either the CBA didn't have a clear protocol, or CDT wasn't in line with said protocol.

 

Or the arbiter was an idiot.

 

ETA: None of this changes the fact that Braun was on something, unless you're Will Carroll and believe in spontaneous generation and Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.

[Tryptamine]

I thought that CBA said 24 hours and he had it in his possession for 44 hours. Maybe I'm wrong, but that would be your loophole.

 

By the way, anyone else enjoying/disgusted by the irony of Brewer fans clamoring for everyone to give Braun the benefit of the doubt and then condemning Dino without any proof whatsoever? Nothing like trying to ruin a man's life in order to find a scape goat.

[brewersbrewers]

This is one thing that you got wrong, Dino did not put the sample in the fridge, he put it in tupperware and left it on his desk.

[brewersbrewers]

I do fell bad for Mr. Dino, his name should never have came out just like Brauns name should have not been leaked.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Please stop.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is one thing that you got wrong, Dino did not put the sample in the fridge, he put it in tupperware and left it on his desk.

 

Which somehow caused the testosterone in the sample to explode to 20 times the normal amount?

[UMFan83]

This is one thing that you got wrong, Dino did not put the sample in the fridge, he put it in tupperware and left it on his desk.

 

Yes in a room that was cold enough to store samples as he had done with several other players who had all presumably did not trigger a positive result.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is one thing that you got wrong, Dino did not put the sample in the fridge, he put it in tupperware and left it on his desk.

 

Which somehow caused the testosterone in the sample to explode to 20 times the normal amount?

 

The WADA expert who testified said that in theory, the sample could have degraded and caused a false ratio of testosterone:epitestosterone. This sample was not considered degraded by the lab, but it's possible in the vague sense.

 

But that's part of the reason why an elevated T:E ratio doesn't cause you to fail your drug test. It just triggers your sample to be tested with the much more reliable test for synthetic testosterone. Which Braun failed, and the expert testified that sample degradation could not possibly account for.

 

There are literally only three possibilities:

 

1) Braun did PEDs

2) The collector obtained pee laced with synthetic testosterone. He then fabricated an exact duplicate of Braun's sample, right down to the unqiue bar codes and signature, and sent that to be tested.

3) Multiple people at the testing agency conspired to falsify the test.

 

Brewers fans who think Braun is innocent should slit their own wrists with Occam's Razor on this one.

[jersey cubs fan]

I do fell bad for Mr. Dino, his name should never have came out just like Brauns name should have not been leaked.

 

Braun's people leaked it since they knew he was guilty and would have to play dirty to get around the obvious test results.

[SouthSideRyan]

This is one thing that you got wrong, Dino did not put the sample in the fridge, he put it in tupperware and left it on his desk.

 

Ahhh so that's why synthetic testosterone showed up. Tupperware is renowned for that type of stuff.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Brewers fans who think Braun is innocent should slit their own wrists with Occam's Razor on this one.

 

This is really what it comes down to. All Brewers fans should kill themselves.

[SouthSideRyan]

XI. E. If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.

 

1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.

 

2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.

[SouthSideRyan]

I. If the player is unable to provide a valid urine specimen, the player is permitted to

go about his regular pre-game or game activities; however, during this time the

player is to be monitored by the Chaperone until the player is able to provide a

valid specimen. Monitoring is at a level of contact sufficient to ensure that the

player does not undertake any activity which would undermine the integrity of the

drug testing process.

 

Seeing as the test was conducted after the game, it looks like Braun must've claimed he couldn't go.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Brewers fans who think Braun is innocent should slit their own wrists with Occam's Razor on this one.

 

This is really what it comes down to. All Brewers fans should kill themselves.

 

So, keep living their lives exactly how they were before?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Brewers fans who think Braun is innocent should slit their own wrists with Occam's Razor on this one.

 

This is really what it comes down to. All Brewers fans should kill themselves.

 

So, keep living their lives exactly how they were before?

 

But faster.

[SouthSideRyan]

7. The Collector shall check the “FedEx” box in the section entitled

“Specimen Bottles(s) Released to:” Absent unusual circumstances, the

specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day

they are collected.

 

Emphasis mine. The specimens would not have been sent on the same day by any FedEx in the area.

 

F. When all of the specimens have been collected at the collection site, the

Collector shall take the specimens in the appropriate packaging to a FedEx

Customer Service Center for shipment. The specimens cannot be placed in a

FedEx Drop Box location.

 

Emphasis mine.

 

XII. IMPORTANT ITEMS TO REMEMBER

A. If a player wants to know which drugs are being tested for or has other

questions about the Program, he should be referred to the IPA at 336-882-4064.

 

B. The Collector should not leave specimens in a car. This will affect the

laboratory’s ability to analyze the specimen.

 

C. The Collector should not leave kits, refractometer or dipsticks in his car. The

heat/cold can adversely affect the equipment

 

This is the only language in the agreement about where the collector should not leave the specimens and testing materials. Seems to imply that it's understood at times the collector will need to store the specimens somewhere beyond a FedEx location.

[brewersbrewers]

Since Braun came up you people have called him a douche and cocky, before this all happened, why is that?

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[Banedon]

Since Braun came up you people have called him a douche and cocky, before this all happened, why is that?

 

 

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[brewersbrewers]

I bet if Braun played for the cubs I bet you guys wouldn't care about all the things you don't like about him, your just mad that he plays of the Brewers, playoff win ihe last 5 years Brewers 6 cubs a big fat zero.