Known Liar&Cheater Ryan Braun Caught Lying&Cheating Again

[javy knows my name]

Seeing how bat [expletive] crazy that post is makes me wonder whether this board has any bizarre groupthink denial going on about other things.

 

Castro rape thread. Though, those are the dumbest among us.

 

Which, in all likelihood, is where El Caballo stands among those at brewerfan.net

[rocket]

Seeing how bat [expletive] crazy that post is makes me wonder whether this board has any bizarre groupthink denial going on about other things.

 

sammy's still clean as far i'm concerned

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good for Braun. Sad his reputation almost had to be ruined by terrible reporting by ESPN. Good to know the process does work for innocent people.

Innocent? You mean Not Guilty by a technicality. He didn't challenge the testing result, but the process.

 

If anything his reputation will be hurt more by this outcome. The result wasn't overturned. Now instead of getting caught and being punished, he got caught and avoided punishment because of a technicality.

 

In no meaningful way does this absolve him.

 

If Brewers fans think this is going to lift the stain from Braun, they're in for a reality check.

 

The technicality is arguably the worst case scenerio for his reputation in the long term. If he was found guilty, he'd be branded a drug cheat. If not guilty, he'd get the herpes stigma, which lasts a lot longer than 50 games. Since it ended up the way that it did he gets both hanging over his head. And a hideous lothing line.

[mul21]

There has to be more to this story. Based on what Mike and Mike just read out of the MLB testing protocol and my own experience handling samples in the proper way so chain of custody isn't broken, I have absolutely no idea how or why this ruling was made. The guy who had the sample did everything he was supposed to do to maintain the integrity of the sample. I'd be surprised if MLB doesn't appeal this and a bit surprised if this ruling doesn't get overturned and he has to serve the suspension at some point. That is, unless there are more details we haven't heard yet.

[woodchip2153]

Seeing how bat [expletive] crazy that post is makes me wonder whether this board has any bizarre groupthink denial going on about other things.

we have davearm to keep us grounded.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There has to be more to this story. Based on what Mike and Mike just read out of the MLB testing protocol and my own experience handling samples in the proper way so chain of custody isn't broken, I have absolutely no idea how or why this ruling was made. The guy who had the sample did everything he was supposed to do to maintain the integrity of the sample. I'd be surprised if MLB doesn't appeal this and a bit surprised if this ruling doesn't get overturned and he has to serve the suspension at some point. That is, unless there are more details we haven't heard yet.

 

 

As far as I can tell, this hinged on the rule that the collector has to FedEx the sample "as soon as possible." He thought FedEx was closed, but it wasn't, so technically he didn't send it "as soon as possible."

 

Braun's lawyers were throwing everything they possibly could at this, questioning every possible step of the process (which is their job) and they got lucky that something stuck.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Now I know I joked about his whiteness a few pages back, but could it make matters worse for MLBs drug testing policy from a PR standpoint in the long run? Not only is he the reigning MVP, but he's clean cut and white, and somewhat of a golden boy. Say a similar situation arises in the near future with a not so white or clean cut player, and they're found guilty. I don't think anyone will be surprised when the race card is played.

[Banedon]

I wonder how much money I could make selling FedEx hats with Braun's number on them. I'm sure nobody would sue for that or anything.

[El Duderino]

Ryan Braun has passed over 25 tests in his career already. He passed 3 this past year. And suddenly one test comes back and its the highest ever tested by MLB and this doesn't seem odd to anyone? No one has ever said it was a PED issue or any form of steroid. I guarantee he's not the first person to ever win an appeal. If ESPN doesn't report it no one even knows about this. And just because everyone is saying he won the case on a technicality doesn't mean that was the only thing wrong with the test. He was the screaming he was innocent from Day 1, and guess what? He was. Get over it. Move on.

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

I think they should stop testing people after 10 successful tests.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think they should not suspend anybody who screams he is innocent.

[Mark Priors Calves]

16 year old kid broke the story a week ago

[UMFan83]

Guys, hes been screaming innocence from day 1. How can you continue to doubt him??

[Soul]

I want to hear him scream a little louder. It's not convincing enough yet.

[Guest]

Guys, hes been screaming innocence from day 1. How can you continue to doubt him??

 

Just like Floyd Landis. I stopped paying attention to that when he screamed innocence - how did that turn out?

[ZMovieman]

There has to be more to this story. Based on what Mike and Mike just read out of the MLB testing protocol and my own experience handling samples in the proper way so chain of custody isn't broken, I have absolutely no idea how or why this ruling was made. The guy who had the sample did everything he was supposed to do to maintain the integrity of the sample. I'd be surprised if MLB doesn't appeal this and a bit surprised if this ruling doesn't get overturned and he has to serve the suspension at some point. That is, unless there are more details we haven't heard yet.

 

 

As far as I can tell, this hinged on the rule that the collector has to FedEx the sample "as soon as possible." He thought FedEx was closed, but it wasn't, so technically he didn't send it "as soon as possible."

 

Braun's lawyers were throwing everything they possibly could at this, questioning every possible step of the process (which is their job) and they got lucky that something stuck.

 

Unfortunately, MLB doesn't have much of a case to overturn this ruling. While arbiters are not bound to precedent, any appeals in court will run into serious issues in federal court. Courts are not obligated to review arbitration cases.

 

The US Supreme Court in MLBPA v. Garvey reiterated just 11 years ago that...

'if an "arbitrator is even arguably construing or applying the contract [terms of the collective bargaining agreement] and acting within the scope of his authority," the fact that "a court is convinced he committed serious error does not suffice to overturn his decision. It is only when the arbitrator strays from interpretation and application of the agreement and effectively "dispenses his own brand of industrial justice" that his decision may be unenforceable.'

 

So this is bad news for baseball. Braun didn't fight that he didn't test positive because it's nearly impossible to win that fight. You only stand a chance on the process of testing, and now it frankly casts doubt on the enforceability of the drug testing on the CBA.

[Soul]

"MLB and cable sports tried to sully the reputation of an innocent man. Picked the wrong guy to mess with. Truth will set you free."

 

pro athletes of wisconsin unite against the establishment.

[El Duderino]

"MLB and cable sports tried to sully the reputation of an innocent man. Picked the wrong guy to mess with. Truth will set you free."

 

pro athletes of wisconsin unite against the establishment.

 

this can't be real

[mookie]

Maybe someone hacked his bird.

[mul21]

 

So this is bad news for baseball. Braun didn't fight that he didn't test positive because it's nearly impossible to win that fight. You only stand a chance on the process of testing, and now it frankly casts doubt on the enforceability of the drug testing on the CBA.

 

No, this just means they have to be very diligent in following the policy they have written. That's why this got thrown out, because procedure wasn't strictly adhered to in the eyes or the arbitrator.

[SouthSideRyan]

"MLB and cable sports tried to sully the reputation of an innocent man. Picked the wrong guy to mess with. Truth will set you free."

 

pro athletes of wisconsin unite against the establishment.

 

this can't be real

 

Rodgers and Braun are very close.

[NonProfitCow]

What award is Braun getting? Pretty good acceptance speech so far.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What award is Braun getting? Pretty good acceptance speech so far.

 

Endorsement deal for a new herpes cream.

[erik316wttn]

My opinion may be turning on Braun.

 

The guy who collected his sample did that part time... he was not a full-time drug tester. The sample sat on his desk for two days. That in and of itself does not mean Braun is innocent, however it does mean that a mistake COULD have (not WAS, but COULD have) been made and a wrong sample could have been sent in. This is the part that gets me, however:

 

Braun went to MLB and offered to give a DNA sample, which could be definitively matched to the urine sample. MLB turned him down. That in and of itself speaks volumes. If MLB was 100% sure of Braun's guilt, why turn down an offer to nail him to the wall? That tells me they jumped the gun and had to stick with it and didn't want to back down, and that's probably what tipped the scales in Braun's favor.

 

That is enough for reasonable doubt, but I am not saying he's innocent. Only that, if what I posted is true, gives sufficient reasonable doubt in my mind.

[Derwood]

Braun went to MLB and offered to give a DNA sample, which could be definitively matched to the urine sample. MLB turned him down..

 

I heard the opposite, that Braun offered the DNA sample but then reneged on the offer