Tigers sign Prince - 9/214 - Heyman

[Geech]

I think watching a few pitchers, like Zambrano or Micah Owings, distinguish themselves with the bat is a lot more interesting than watching Hideki Matsui fail to OPS 700 for 585 plate appearances, but I'm not hardcore opposed to the DH. I too would prefer to see the leagues using the same rules.

[seanimal]

I think watching a few pitchers, like Zambrano or Micah Owings, distinguish themselves with the bat is a lot more interesting than watching Hideki Matsui fail to OPS 700 for 585 plate appearances, but I'm not hardcore opposed to the DH. I too would prefer to see the leagues using the same rules.

 

true, unfortunately, those guys are so few and far between. there's enough of an argument to keep nl rules in a vacuum, but not when they have to compete with the al.

[mookie]

I have changed my mind. I am now all for the DH. Even everything up. Lets do it!

[rocket]

I have changed my mind. I am now all for the DH. Even everything up. Lets do it!

 

i've changed my mind too, the opposite way. now i'm for eliminating the dh in the american league and expanding the rosters to 26.

[Rob]

[expletive], I think I voted for Pat Buchanan.

[davell]

On the Garza trade front with Detroit, Prince's contract does NOT help matters, it's not severely backloaded. 23 for 1st 2 years, 24 for last 7.

[sneakypower]

we should be able to pick up most of Garza and Byrd's salary if they're willing to give us Turner, Castellanos and Smyly

[seanimal]

i still think the ideal situation is to limit the DH at-bats to the starting pitcher slot and have it in both leagues. you'll still be providing those roster spots for the edgar martinez's of the world, but still preserve some of the late-inning excitement that many baseball fans enjoy, regardless of what that daring iconoclast kyle says.

[CubColtPacer]

i still think the ideal situation is to limit the DH at-bats to the starting pitcher slot and have it in both leagues. you'll still be providing those roster spots for the edgar martinez's of the world, but still preserve some of the late-inning excitement that many baseball fans enjoy, regardless of what that daring iconoclast kyle says.

 

How does that preserve the late-inning excitement? The thing that drives the decisions at the end of a game is that you have a spot with a really poor hitter in it. Keeping a DH in the 9 spot does nothing to help that.

[jersey cubs fan]

i still think the ideal situation is to limit the DH at-bats to the starting pitcher slot and have it in both leagues. you'll still be providing those roster spots for the edgar martinez's of the world, but still preserve some of the late-inning excitement that many baseball fans enjoy, regardless of what that daring iconoclast kyle says.

 

How does that preserve the late-inning excitement? The thing that drives the decisions at the end of a game is that you have a spot with a really poor hitter in it. Keeping a DH in the 9 spot does nothing to help that.

 

Starting pitcher spot. Presumably, once the starting pitcher is removed, he's saying you either let the reliever bat or use a pinch hitter.

 

A home team will be slightly disadvantaged in such a situation if you simply allow them to use the DH until the starting pitcher is removed. If both pitchers goes 6 1/3 then the DH can't bat in the bottom of the 7th, but he would have been eligible to bat in the top of the 7th.

[CubColtPacer]

i still think the ideal situation is to limit the DH at-bats to the starting pitcher slot and have it in both leagues. you'll still be providing those roster spots for the edgar martinez's of the world, but still preserve some of the late-inning excitement that many baseball fans enjoy, regardless of what that daring iconoclast kyle says.

 

How does that preserve the late-inning excitement? The thing that drives the decisions at the end of a game is that you have a spot with a really poor hitter in it. Keeping a DH in the 9 spot does nothing to help that.

 

Starting pitcher spot. Presumably, once the starting pitcher is removed, he's saying you either let the reliever bat or use a pinch hitter.

 

A home team will be slightly disadvantaged in such a situation if you simply allow them to use the DH until the starting pitcher is removed. If both pitchers goes 6 1/3 then the DH can't bat in the bottom of the 7th, but he would have been eligible to bat in the top of the 7th.

 

Oh, I like that idea. As you showed, it does have some flaws. But it brings even more strategy into the game like picking your DH carefully since he won't be available at the end of the game, and also how long to ride your starting pitcher based on if you're hoping for another bat for the DH. It does seem a bit too out there to ever be adopted though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, I like that idea. As you showed, it does have some flaws. But it brings even more strategy into the game like picking your DH carefully since he won't be available at the end of the game, and also how long to ride your starting pitcher based on if you're hoping for another bat for the DH. It does seem a bit too out there to ever be adopted though.

 

You could always move that DH to another position, so in a game where you are behind you may slot him into LF or 1B and try to move out your weakest bat. In games you are ahead, you let your DH go to the bench.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would have thought that a potential one game play-in for wild cards was too "out there" for MLB to adopt, but they have proven to be far more willing to look at interesting things than you may have predicted a couple decades ago.

[rocket]

boy i'd hate to be a starting pitcher on a dusty baker team with that rule

 

i do like it though.

[ctcf]

Kevin Kernan @NYPost_Kernan

Gates Brown would be proud RT @TheNatsBlog: The Tigers have seven players on their 40 man roster who are listed at weighing over 230 pounds.

 

Holy [expletive].

[davearm2]

Oh, I like that idea. As you showed, it does have some flaws. But it brings even more strategy into the game like picking your DH carefully since he won't be available at the end of the game, and also how long to ride your starting pitcher based on if you're hoping for another bat for the DH. It does seem a bit too out there to ever be adopted though.

 

You could always move that DH to another position, so in a game where you are behind you may slot him into LF or 1B and try to move out your weakest bat. In games you are ahead, you let your DH go to the bench.

Exactly.

 

If you boil it down, the gist is, when you bring in a reliever, you have to slot him into the batting order someplace.

 

So maybe the RP just goes straight into the DH's slot in the order, the guy who was the DH is out of the game, and the other 8 positional players stay where they are.

 

Or instead you could have something akin to a double switch, where you pull one of the 8 positional guys out, put the RP in his slot, put the guy who was the DH on the field someplace, and reshuffle defensively as necessary.

 

I really like this compromise. The pro-DH crowd will like that pitchers are still (almost) never going to bat, the anti-DH crowd will like that there's still plenty of endgame strategy to consider, and the MLBPA will like that there's still a place for the Thome's and Ortiz's.

[Rob]

It still wouldn't be ideal for me, but I'd be much less upset about something like that.

[wade]

Kevin Kernan @NYPost_Kernan

Gates Brown would be proud RT @TheNatsBlog: The Tigers have seven players on their 40 man roster who are listed at weighing over 230 pounds.

 

Holy [expletive].

 

That's really not that crazy.

 

I looked on the Tigers website (which only has 5 guys listed over 230, by the way). If anyone wants to argue the weights listed are incorrect, then they'd probably have a pretty good case (Miggy at 240?). Anyway, looking past the fact that the heights and weights could be a little off- and that goes for any player in MLB, you still have these factors that I find intersting-

 

Two of those over 230 (one is actually listed at 230, but I'll let that slide) are 6'4" outfielders. I am 6'4". I am about 220-225 on a given day. I am not fat. I'm actually equal parts twisted steel and sex appeal. 6'4" 230 is somewhere around NFL quarterback size, and not Daunte Culpepper either.

 

One is 6'4" Jose Valverde, who is fat.

 

One is 6'4" Miggy, who is listed at 240 and makes the whole thing I said a second ago about looking at their listed weights as true-they aren't gospel to say the least.

 

The other is Prince.

 

Using the same arbitrary cutoff of 230+, I did a google search on the first team I thought of (the Angels, maybe becasue I kind of think alphabetically) and found they do have 6 players on the 40 man roster listed on their site that are 230 or more.

 

I wish I had thought of the Yankees first, because I looked them up and found that they have 13 players listed at 230 or more on the 40 man roster posted on their website.

 

In short, that's a dumb stat for that guy to post. Methinks I'll respond to him on twitter about it in hopes I can become mildly famous.

[Guest]

In case anybody doubted it before...

 

"Miguel Cabrera is going to play third base," Leyland said at Prince Fielder's introductory press conference. "Let's make that perfectly clear today."

[javy knows my name]

I WANT HIM IN LF. MY BUDDY SAYS HE WANTS HIM TO PLAY LF AND I WANT THAT TOO

[XZero771679666304]

In case anybody doubted it before...

 

"Miguel Cabrera is going to play third base," Leyland said at Prince Fielder's introductory press conference. "Let's make that perfectly clear today."

 

 

I don't doubt they'll try it and intend it to be a solution. The only question is how long it will take for them to abandon that strategy.

[wade]

In case anybody doubted it before...

 

"Miguel Cabrera is going to play third base," Leyland said at Prince Fielder's introductory press conference. "Let's make that perfectly clear today."

 

 

I don't doubt they'll try it and intend it to be a solution. The only question is how long it will take for them to abandon that strategy.

 

 

It took about 10 games in '09, but i think they had Carlos Guillen playing first at that time.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/01/26/dodgers.fielder/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

 

The Dodgers were thinking a lot like me on Prince.

 

The Dodgers offered about $160 million for seven years but insisted on front-loading the contract and including an opt-out clause. The opt-out clause would come after the third or fourth year -- the specifics were never decided because the two sides never advanced far enough to nail down an offer sheet.

 

The source said that Boras asked all winter for a 10-year deal, but that "there was no way" the Dodgers would offer a deal close to that length.

 

The opt-out clause was important to Los Angeles for two reasons: The club is being sold through bankruptcy proceedings and owner Frank McCourt did not want to saddle the new owner with such a lengthy commitment, and also the club wanted protection against watching a 275-pound Fielder age through his 30s with guaranteed money.

 

The club's solution to those issues was to offer Fielder a mountain of money for three or four years -- about $26 million per year -- to buy out the prime years of his career on a short-term basis. At the end of that term, when the annual average value would fall below market value, the Dodgers assumed that Fielder would either take another crack at free agency or remain with the club at a discounted price.

[SouthSideRyan]

The club is being sold through bankruptcy proceedings and owner Frank McCourt did not want to saddle the new owner with such a lengthy commitment

 

Swell guy, that Frank McCourt

[CarolinaCubFan]

Wall Street Journal commercial on tv: "People are wondering why baseball is paying so much to fat guys".