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They were discussing on Waddle and Silvy yesterday that supposedly Cutler is seen slamming his hand on the metal bench during the tirade he had after Knox's interception. I didnt see it so I don't know if that's true, but if it is, I don't think he slams his hand on a bench if his thumb is already broken.

 

Which would imply that he broke his thumb out of anger. Sounds to me like a media plot to further highlight what a horrible person he supposedly is.

 

There are several signs that point to this being a less serious injury than we're led to believe. Assuming he gets surgery before the week is out, I'm going to go a step further than Lovie and say he returns on the 18th against Seattle.

 

It was actually a caller who first mentioned it, W+S didn't really believe him at all but asked if anyone else saw it, and several callers and texters chimed in to say they saw it as well. I doubt its true, and I wasn't going to post it, but figured its interesting discussion.

 

Cutler hasn't even had surgery yet. Do you really think he could recover in 24 days?

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i was just watching the highlights from the NFC championship game, hanie can make the throws, he really can, and he really looks good in the pocket or out of the pocket.

 

i'm telling you, we may not even miss a beat, as much of a man-crush i have on jay.

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Cutler hasn't even had surgery yet. Do you really think he could recover in 24 days?

 

Probably not. It's more wishful thinking than anything. Then again, they're hoping maybe by the GB game, which is just 31 days.

 

I'm going to jump on the sulley wagon of optimism for the time being. Kyle Orton's 2005 season is giving me hope right now. Led the team to the playoffs with a 59.7 QB rating, a number which I'm confident Hanie will at least be able to replicate. Our O-Line was obviously better then. We basically have the same defense only older and probably not quite as good. That said, we have Forte, Hester, and Peppers now, all of whom weren't on that team.

 

Like others have said, if there is any team that can still win after losing their franchise QB to injury, it's us.

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i was just watching the highlights from the NFC championship game, hanie can make the throws, he really can, and he really looks good in the pocket or out of the pocket.

 

i'm telling you, we may not even miss a beat, as much of a man-crush i have on jay.

 

He can't make all the throws, or at least he hasn't shown he can. He hasn't shown he can fit the ball in when his receiver gets very little separation. I think you will see the offense dumbed down a little for Hanie. He won't be asked to do as much as Jay is. 3rd and long is going to be a draw or screen down for at least the next few weeks.

 

What Hanie can do is throw on the move and throw the corner route. Teams are going to be torched if they just expect him to dump it down to Forte or underneath WRs all game. I think he will pick his spots deep, and he will throw the 15-18 yard corner route all day if they let him.

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i was just watching the highlights from the NFC championship game, hanie can make the throws, he really can, and he really looks good in the pocket or out of the pocket.

 

i'm telling you, we may not even miss a beat, as much of a man-crush i have on jay.

 

He can't make all the throws, or at least he hasn't shown he can. He hasn't shown he can fit the ball in when his receiver gets very little separation. I think you will see the offense dumbed down a little for Hanie. He won't be asked to do as much as Jay is. 3rd and long is going to be a draw or screen down for at least the next few weeks.

 

What Hanie can do is throw on the move and throw the corner route. Teams are going to be torched if they just expect him to dump it down to Forte or underneath WRs all game. I think he will pick his spots deep, and he will throw the 15-18 yard corner route all day if they let him.

 

Yeah, I think the biggest difference is going to come on those drives were Jay was actually completely 3rd and 8, while the typical Bears offense just tries to get into better punting situation.

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Man that would make the Score a hilarious disaster to listen to.

 

There's a certain amusement to the possibility of Orton coming back to the Bears. It's not a good idea, but it would be amusing.

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Man that would make the Score a hilarious disaster to listen to.

 

There's a certain amusement to the possibility of Orton coming back to the Bears. It's not a good idea, but it would be amusing.

 

It's not a good idea, it's a FANTASTIC idea.

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At least now I can sleep at night knowing the Bears finally won that trade.

i was curious to see what became of the picks...

the three picks sent to Denver were used to select Robert Ayers, Mike Wallace, Anthony Davis

 

unrelated, the 2nd rounder sent to Tampa for Gaines Adams was used to select Rob Gronkowski

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Just thought it was apt to compare the 2005 defense and this one to see how plausible it is for the Bears to be successful if Hanie's QBR is under 60.

 

2005:

281.8 ypg (2nd of 32)

179.5 pypg (5th)

102.3 rypg (10th)

202 pts allowed (1st - 2nd place team had 247 PA)

12.6 pts/game (1st - 2nd place had 15.4 p/g)

259 1st downs allowed (4th - only 5 behind leader)

31.9% 3rd down percentage (2nd)

30.0% 4th down percentage (3rd)

10 passing TD allowed (1st - 2nd place team had 15 allowed)

24 INT (2nd)

41 sacks (9th)

61.2 opposing QBR (1st - 2nd place was 68.0)

9 rushing TD allowed (4th)

10 fumbles caused (6th)

34 TOs caused (4th)

 

2011:

371.9 ypg (25th of 32)

270.7 pypg (30th)

101.2 rypg (10th)

207 pts allowed (13th - 5 more than all of 2005, 331 projected over 16 games)

20.7 pts/game (13th)

188 1st downs allowed (13th - 301 projected)

37.2% 3rd down percentage (13th)

36.4% 4th down percentage (10th)

14 passing TD allowed (14th - 22 projected)

15 INT (3rd - 24 projected)

18 sacks (26th - 29 projected)

78.5 opposing QBR (9th)

6 rushing TD allowed (6th - 10 projected)

6 fumbles caused (8th - 10 projected)

23 TOs caused (2nd - 37 projected)

 

In a lot of categories, the 2005 defense destroys this years. In terms of yardage given up, points allowed, 3rd down percentage, theres no contest, this defense is quite a bit worse. But a couple of things to point out to support this team:

 

1) This defense started off really poorly and has progressively gotten better after the safeties were switched. First 5 games this year we averaged 419.6 yards allowed per game, which I believe was dead last in the NFL or close, and allowed 24.4 points per game. In the 5 games since then, we've allowed 324.2 yards allowed per game and 17.0 points per game. My guess is the defense will be closer to that one than the one at the start of the season.

2) We are looking to predict how the defense will perform only under the last 6 games, a schedule that is significantly easier than the teams we've faced so far this year. The Bears were the worse ranked offensive team in 9 of their first 10 games (Offensive rating by week (Bears are 17th): 12th, 1st, 4th, 5th, 11th, 19th, 16th, 3rd, 11th, 8th - average 9th ). The Bears are the higher ranked offensive team in 4 of the last 6 games (rating by week: 10th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 4th, 19th - average 19th).

 

In summary, Calib Hanie has to end up performing better than a sub-60 QBR for the Bears to succeed. Unlike 2005, we can't expect to score 14 points and feel good about winning. I think most people hope/expect that he will perform better than that. But he doesn't have to perform a LOT better than that, as the defense is solid and improving and is facing a much easier schedule in these last 6 games.

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I like me some Kyle Orton, but he doesn't know Martz's system at all. How could we expect him to pick it up in time for it to matter?

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