Yooooooooooooennis Cespedes: To Oakland pg 44

[davell]

I wanted Cespedes, but I want Soler more. That said, my guess is the reason we didn't get him is we wouldn't do the 4 year deal with immediate FA afterwards. Since we're not planning on competing this year and next year is iffy, it'd give us a two year window with him, before he hit FA. All I've got, I guess.

 

Disappointed we didn't beat this offer, but who knows? Maybe he didn't want to play in a large market? I figure there's got to be some reason we missed on this one, because personally, I find the contract iffy, but I'd have done it anyway.

 

At any rate, Soler is a MUST now and I hope we add some other IFA as well.

 

If they don't have this team dominating the division and able to afford any free agent they want to keep in 4 years than they have done a poor job.

 

Won't argue that at all. Agree completely.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Fielder contract was absolutely awful. In no way, shape, or form is thinking that some form of denial.

 

Pujols is at least a much better player, but that's still 10 years at huge money to a 31 year old.

 

That's all well and good, but can we stop pretending it's perfectly awesome to miss out on everybody and that everybody else is going to regret all their signings? This has happened with every single signing where the Cubs have been rumored to be among the leaders, but didn't get the guy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Fielder contract was absolutely awful. In no way, shape, or form is thinking that some form of denial.

 

Pujols is at least a much better player, but that's still 10 years at huge money to a 31 year old.

 

That's all well and good, but can we stop pretending it's perfectly awesome to miss out on everybody and that everybody else is going to regret all their signings? This has happened with every single signing where the Cubs have been rumored to be among the leaders, but didn't get the guy.

 

No. Because not one of those guys signed at a contract I feel like we missed out on.

 

Players have different values to different teams. So far, every player we've "missed" out on was a bad value for the Cubs at that money, regardless of what the teams that did sign them think.

[SouthSideRyan]

SSR wants to sign everyone.

 

I'd rather not sign anybody. It's ridiculous how much money professional baseball players get, it is way too risky.

 

A lot of teams are making bad decisions right now. Really, really [expletive] bad ones. Ones which I would be [expletive] PISSED if the Cubs had made.

 

Not speaking to Cespedes so much as Pujols and to a much larger extent, Fielder.

 

Well, I won't lie and say I'd have been mad if we signed Pujols...but I would've been well aware that it was a pretty stupid decision.

 

You don't know these are crippling decisions until you know what kind of budget these teams are working with going forward. I just know we're working on year 3 of every free agent signing (except CJ Wilson) being derided as moronic, and there haven't been many teams that have been torpedoed because of them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You don't know these are crippling decisions until you know what kind of budget these teams are working with going forward. I just know we're working on year 3 of every free agent signing (except CJ Wilson) being derided as moronic, and there haven't been many teams that have been torpedoed because of them.

 

There haven't been many teams that won the World Series because of a signing like that, either.

[treebird]

SSR wants to sign everyone.

 

I'd rather not sign anybody. It's ridiculous how much money professional baseball players get, it is way too risky.

 

A lot of teams are making bad decisions right now. Really, really [expletive] bad ones. Ones which I would be [expletive] PISSED if the Cubs had made.

 

Not speaking to Cespedes so much as Pujols and to a much larger extent, Fielder.

 

Well, I won't lie and say I'd have been mad if we signed Pujols...but I would've been well aware that it was a pretty stupid decision.

 

You don't know these are crippling decisions until you know what kind of budget these teams are working with going forward. I just know we're working on year 3 of every free agent signing (except CJ Wilson) being derided as moronic, and there haven't been many teams that have been torpedoed because of them.

 

i heard that for every player on your team who makes more than 5 million dollars per WAR, the commissioner knocks 20 wins off your season total

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i heard that for every player on your team who makes more than 5 million dollars per WAR, the commissioner knocks 20 wins off your season total

 

I heard that division titles are handed out on the basis of whose fanbase gets the most excited during the offseason.

[SouthSideRyan]

Over the past 40 days, the A's have signed or traded for Josh Reddick, Coco Crisp, Seth Smith, Johnny Gomes, and Yoennis Cespedes.

 

It's really sad to see what's happened to Billy Beane.

[Little Slide Rooter]

SSR wants to sign everyone.

 

I'd rather not sign anybody. It's ridiculous how much money professional baseball players get, it is way too risky.

 

A lot of teams are making bad decisions right now. Really, really [expletive] bad ones. Ones which I would be [expletive] PISSED if the Cubs had made.

 

Not speaking to Cespedes so much as Pujols and to a much larger extent, Fielder.

 

Well, I won't lie and say I'd have been mad if we signed Pujols...but I would've been well aware that it was a pretty stupid decision.

 

You don't know these are crippling decisions until you know what kind of budget these teams are working with going forward. I just know we're working on year 3 of every free agent signing (except CJ Wilson) being derided as moronic, and there haven't been many teams that have been torpedoed because of them.

 

When a teams goal is to win it all now, thinking about what it will do to them in the future isn'y always considered. Yeah, it is possible to build for now and for the future, but The Angels and Tigers already had ready made contenders and decided to take it in that direction. Each of them made some very expensive acquisitions which in turn make them significanlty better, on paper anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

You don't know these are crippling decisions until you know what kind of budget these teams are working with going forward. I just know we're working on year 3 of every free agent signing (except CJ Wilson) being derided as moronic, and there haven't been many teams that have been torpedoed because of them.

 

There haven't been many teams that won the World Series because of a signing like that, either.

 

I believe Matt Holliday was dubbed a crippling contract on multiple occasions.

 

Aaron Rowand and Barry Zito were obviously dumbass contracts. I'm certain Brian Wilson's super 2 extension caused people to wet their pants in rage.

 

The Yankees? Try to find a contract on that team that anyone thought was worth it. Posada, Tex, Jeter, A-Rod, Damon, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett. All were going to waste spots that could've been better utilized on better talents.

 

You guys sound like Christina Kahrl.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I can't think of a single Yankees contract I didn't like. When you have an unlimited budget, why not?

[JoshiQ]

I can't think of a single Yankees contract I didn't like. When you have an unlimited budget, why not?

 

We may not have a Yankees budget, but we're not the frikkin' Royals either. We can afford a lot of these contracts that have been labeled as horrible.

 

I seriously doubt the Angels are going to crippled in a couple of years because of their contracts. Same for the Tigers. The Cubs should be close to the same payroll as these two teams.

 

Edit: If we are dropping the payroll a significant amount for a lengthy period of time then that above is not true. But most of what I've heard was that wasn't supposed to be the case.

[SouthSideRyan]

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[Ding Dong Johnson]

It's really sad to see what's happened to Billy Beane.

He's nothing without Peter Brand.

[UMFan83]

On a slightly different note, Cespedes and his people have to be extremely confident about this abilities to actually desire lesser years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Over the past 40 days, the A's have signed or traded for Josh Reddick, Coco Crisp, Seth Smith, Johnny Gomes, and Yoennis Cespedes.

 

It's really sad to see what's happened to Billy Beane.

 

I forgot, they also traded for Colin Cowgill and are going to sign Manny Ramirez.

 

All of this while already having Michael Taylor, Chris Carter, Daric Barton, and Kila K'ahasldauslhdg in their organization, and having virtually no chance at competing this season.

[Guest]

On a slightly different note, Cespedes and his people have to be extremely confident about this abilities to actually desire lesser years.

 

when compared with the other offers reportedly on the table, it wasn't much of a gamble.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52041&p=2046868&hilit=yankees#p2046868

 

Nothing I posted between October 2008 and Nov. 2011 counts.

[Clem Fandango]

Over the past 40 days, the A's have signed or traded for Josh Reddick, Coco Crisp, Seth Smith, Johnny Gomes, and Yoennis Cespedes.

 

It's really sad to see what's happened to Billy Beane.

 

I forgot, they also traded for Colin Cowgill and are going to sign Manny Ramirez.

 

All of this while already having Michael Taylor, Chris Carter, Daric Barton, and Kila K'ahasldauslhdg in their organization, and having virtually no chance at competing this season.

 

You're forgetting Jarrod Parker, Ryan Cook, Derek Norris, A.J. Cole, Tom Millone, and Brad Peacock (the other guys who they got for Gio Gonzalez and Trevor Cahill, and most of whom are actually pretty nice players)

[Guest]

Those guys aren't outfielders.

[Sammy Sofa]

At this point I think we have to assume that spending money will be an issue until we get rid of soriano's contract.

 

Yeah, $18 million is all it takes to build a hell of a contender.

[questionmarkgrace]

the A's lost two outfielders and a DH from last year. I have no problem with them collecting multiple outfielders. How is that any different than the cubs having a million pitchers to compensate for last years garbage rotation? Cepedes, Crisp, and hope one of the fringe/young guys stick. With all of their pitching talent much closer to the majors then ours they have a better chance of competing before we do. This is a good move for them.

 

On another note, every world series winner in recent memory has had at least one major free agent acquisition on their team. Even the 03 marlins paid I-rod 10 mil to catch. The 97 marlins got sheffield, Alou and devon white in a single offseason. Yankees, Diamondbacks, phillies, redsox, cardinals etc. All these teams paid up to get to the promised land. To suggest that we can simply build a world series winner without engaging major free agents is either ignorant or pure arrogance.

[Clem Fandango]

Those guys aren't outfielders.

 

I hadn't realized he was focusing on only outfielders... I thought he was just highlighting confusing acquisitions in general

[questionmarkgrace]

At this point I think we have to assume that spending money will be an issue until we get rid of soriano's contract.

 

Yeah, $18 million is all it takes to build a hell of a contender.

 

no one said that 18 million is all it takes to be a contender. only that they arent willing to spend on a big free agent with that contract hanging around. 18 million may or may not make us a contender with this division you never know. 18 mil spent properly probably makes us more interesting to watch though. Thats all im looking for really. Field a team that has a chance to be .500 while all the guys in the minors continue to progress.

[jersey cubs fan]

At this point I think we have to assume that spending money will be an issue until we get rid of soriano's contract.

 

Yeah, $18 million is all it takes to build a hell of a contender.

 

no one said that 18 million is all it takes to be a contender. only that they arent willing to spend on a big free agent with that contract hanging around. 18 million may or may not make us a contender with this division you never know. 18 mil spent properly probably makes us more interesting to watch though. Thats all im looking for really. Field a team that has a chance to be .500.

 

I don't think that contract has an specific bearing on their decisions this year or the next three. I think they just looked at this as an opportunity to clean house and do nothing about the 2012 team while focusing exclusively on the future. The Cubs sucked, they know they can get away with sucking again this year, so they are choosing to do so.