Yooooooooooooennis Cespedes: To Oakland pg 44

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ABTY from PSD Cubs forum posts this

 

Marlins offer almost identical to Reds/Chapman deal (6/30.25M) Cubs, two other well north of that... Ozzie apparently against signing Cespedes- wants 'small ball' guys Bonifacio/Coghlan/Infante splitting time between CF and 2B...

[Guest]

Upton has been a 4 fWAR player each of the last two seasons without breaking +2 by UZR. Identifying him as a defense-first CF is selling him way short.

[Little Slide Rooter]

ABTY from PSD Cubs forum posts this

 

Marlins offer almost identical to Reds/Chapman deal (6/30.25M) Cubs, two other well north of that... Ozzie apparently against signing Cespedes- wants 'small ball' guys Bonifacio/Coghlan/Infante splitting time between CF and 2B...

 

It has to be White Sox and Orioles as the other two.

[Clem Fandango]

ABTY from PSD Cubs forum posts this

 

Marlins offer almost identical to Reds/Chapman deal (6/30.25M) Cubs, two other well north of that... Ozzie apparently against signing Cespedes- wants 'small ball' guys Bonifacio/Coghlan/Infante splitting time between CF and 2B...

 

I'm getting more and more confident that the Cubs can pull this off. Like someone said the Marlins talked a big game on Pujols and lowballed him, and they're doing the same here. Should've seen that coming, I was actually concerned they were going to make a ridiculous offer that wasn't worth topping.

[jumbo]

ABTY from PSD Cubs forum posts this

 

Marlins offer almost identical to Reds/Chapman deal (6/30.25M) Cubs, two other well north of that... Ozzie apparently against signing Cespedes- wants 'small ball' guys Bonifacio/Coghlan/Infante splitting time between CF and 2B...

 

It has to be White Sox and Orioles as the other two.

 

Aren't the Tigers supposed to be in on him, too?

[Rob]

Goldstein just tweeted "Rumors out of the DR today that the Cubs are making a very very big play for Jorge Soler."

 

Take it for what it's worth.

 

Also, wrong thread. But whatever.

[Little Slide Rooter]

ABTY from PSD Cubs forum posts this

 

Marlins offer almost identical to Reds/Chapman deal (6/30.25M) Cubs, two other well north of that... Ozzie apparently against signing Cespedes- wants 'small ball' guys Bonifacio/Coghlan/Infante splitting time between CF and 2B...

 

It has to be White Sox and Orioles as the other two.

 

Aren't the Tigers supposed to be in on him, too?

 

I just can't see them making a huge offer for him, certainly not in the 8-10 mil/year range. They're already paying a combined 86 mil between Fielder, Cabrera, Verlander, Valverde, and V Mart.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Goldstein just tweeted "Rumors out of the DR today that the Cubs are making a very very big play for Jorge Soler."

 

Take it for what it's worth.

 

Also, wrong thread. But whatever.

 

Kevin Goldstein

@Kevin_Goldstein

 

Outstanding. Would be single digit pick in draft. “@AnthonyRescan: @kevin_goldstein what's Soler's potential like?.”

[UMFan83]

Good, if Theo's game is all about acquiring talent, going hard after Soler is a no brainer. It's a free top 10 draft pick. (not free in terms of money but free in terms of getting a 1st round talent without wasting a draft spot)

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good, if Theo's game is all about acquiring talent, going hard after Soler is a no brainer. It's a free top 10 draft pick. (not free in terms of money but free in terms of getting a 1st round talent without wasting a draft spot)

 

If there was ever any legitimacy to the rumors of us being seriously in in the Fielder/Pujols sweepstakes, there's no reason that we shouldn't have the money for both. Acquiring good, young players had been Theos game plan from the get go and this would be a nice splash.

[RammyFanny]

MIAMI — The Marlins position as frontrunner for Yeonis Cespedes appears to be getting stronger.

 

Miami is exchanging contract numbers with the 26-year-old Cuban outfielder.

 

And on Sunday, two National League sources believe the Cubs are not seriously in the mix for Cespedes.

 

The buzz in the industry is Chicago’s focus is on 19-year-old Cuban sensation, Jorge Soler, who has yet to be ruled a free agent. The figure the Cubs are believed to be willing to spend on Soler (according to two sources) is $27.5 million. The number of years is not known.

 

Sources indicate the Marlins are clearly the team most likely to sign Cespedes.

 

Miami appears willing to pay in the $30-35 million range for Cespedes. But they have not offered as much as $40 million for six years.

http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/2012/02/12/marlins-clear-cespedes-frontrunner/

[Guest]

FWIW, the dude at PSD thinks we'll ultimately land both Cespedes and Soler.

 

 

Also, the thing about the shift in interest or whatever just seems like an (bad) inference to me. Maybe it's based on some actual information, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

[Guest]

FWIW, the dude at PSD thinks we'll ultimately land both Cespedes and Soler.

 

 

Also, the thing about the shift in interest or whatever just seems like an (bad) inference to me. Maybe it's based on some actual information, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Good, I hope that guy is right. There is no need to only go all-out for just one of them.

[davell]

Soler is more important for me. But I don't believe this at all. As tight lipped as we are, I seriously doubt any offer we make is going to leak like this. We're laying in the weeds on both these guys. That's how we roll nowadays.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The fact is, if the Marlins best offer is 6/30-40 mil, we have the resources to beat it. If those making the decisions don't want to do so, then that's that and I trust their judgement. This being said, anytime te source is as vague ad this one it should always be taken with a grain of salt at most.

[davearm2]

Soler is more important for me. But I don't believe this at all. As tight lipped as we are, I seriously doubt any offer we make is going to leak like this. We're laying in the weeds on both these guys. That's how we roll nowadays.

100% agree. Whatever the Cubs are or are not offering any of these guys will never be known unless and until a contract is signed.

[davell]

FWIW, the dude at PSD thinks we'll ultimately land both Cespedes and Soler.

 

 

Also, the thing about the shift in interest or whatever just seems like an (bad) inference to me. Maybe it's based on some actual information, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Good, I hope that guy is right. There is no need to only go all-out for just one of them.

For clarification, it's not Marlin(the guy who's money}, it's the guy who probably has a connection or two, but if I remember, his connections aren't even Cub related, maybe the Royals or some other random team. Marlin has been extremely quiet.

[davearm2]

The fact is, if the Marlins best offer is 6/30-40 mil, we have the resources to beat it. If those making the decisions don't want to do so, then that's that and I trust their judgement. This being said, anytime te source is as vague ad this one it should always be taken with a grain of salt at most.

Resources aren't really the issue. All of the teams involved have the ability to pay a historic (for a Cuban) sum.

[Gilby]

Soler is more important for me. But I don't believe this at all. As tight lipped as we are, I seriously doubt any offer we make is going to leak like this. We're laying in the weeds on both these guys. That's how we roll nowadays.

 

I'd rather have Cespedes if it's one or the other. Soler would likely be on the Baez/Vogelbach path. Cespedes is in his mid 20's and probably be ready after a couple months at Iowa.

 

I was anti-Fielder and very much in favor of thinking towards the future, but Soler is a little bit too far into the future compared to Cespedes, who should still be plenty productive when we're ready to compete while not being an albatross if he is not.

 

Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, Cespedes, and Garza (if not traded) is a pretty good group to build around and hopefully ready to compete in this division by 2013 with some additions.

[questionmarkgrace]

Soler is more important for me. But I don't believe this at all. As tight lipped as we are, I seriously doubt any offer we make is going to leak like this. We're laying in the weeds on both these guys. That's how we roll nowadays.

 

I'd rather have Cespedes if it's one or the other. Soler would likely be on the Baez/Vogelbach path. Cespedes is in his mid 20's and probably be ready after a couple months at Iowa.

 

I was anti-Fielder and very much in favor of thinking towards the future, but Soler is a little bit too far into the future compared to Cespedes, who should still be plenty productive when we're ready to compete while not being an albatross if he is not.

 

Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, Cespedes, and Garza (if not traded) is a pretty good group to build around and hopefully ready to compete in this division by 2013 with some additions.

 

Yeah, I hope this is not the case. Soler would be a real nice get and all but man, Im a cubs fan not a peoria chiefs fan. Theres no reason why we couldnt have made all the future-minded moves we have, while adding to the major league roster. I want to buy tickets this year but I cant justify spending any money on this team since they have done very little to improve this season. If they are going to mail in 2012 well hey maybe I will too. At least cespedes add some intrigue to a team with zero power and poor defense and shows me that the cubs are serious about competing in the next five years.

[davell]

I guess I look at it in the opposite way. To me, once Brett, Rizzo, and whoever else we may have that's ready, gets called up, that's when I want to see the Cubs play. Hell, I'm excited about the nucleus of Castro and those 2 as building blocks. To me, it's cool to see them progress from here on out. Doesn't mean I don't want Cespedes, I do. And yes, he'd bring excitement with him for sure. But, Soler has as much, or possibly even more upside, is younger, and cheaper as well. Which is why if it comes down to one or the other, he's my pick.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Upton has been a 4 fWAR player each of the last two seasons without breaking +2 by UZR. Identifying him as a defense-first CF is selling him way short.

 

Older Upton = Mega underrated player. Still young enough to put up an explosive offensive season or two too...

 

If we land both or even one of the Cubans does this make Jackson trade bait? I like Jackson alot but I don't think it should be a given that he's a cornerstone player of the future for Los Cachorros.

[Guest]

To me, Soler would be just another highly valuable asset to add to the system. Bringing him in doesn't necessarily mean waiting for him to develop into a major leaguer to reap the rewards of having said asset.

 

Adding a guy who will slot in as your best prospect is effing awesome.

[Abe Frohman]

I want to buy tickets this year but I cant justify spending any money on this team since they have done very little to improve this season. If they are going to mail in 2012 well hey maybe I will too. At least cespedes add some intrigue to a team with zero power and poor defense and shows me that the cubs are serious about competing in the next five years.

 

Well, see you next year! Just kidding.

 

I'm surprised that I was finding myself ecstatic about the Rizzo acquisition, and I'm hoping that he can be a big impact and the next young superstar in the game. I like the direction the new FO is taking, and will watch this year with no expectations. I hope to see Rizzo, Jackson, and maybe a surprise player or two really blossom.

 

Bolster the system, let the young players rise, and plug holes with quality free agents. That after purging the roster of bad apples.

[treebird]

I want to buy tickets this year but I cant justify spending any money on this team since they have done very little to improve this season. If they are going to mail in 2012 well hey maybe I will too. At least cespedes add some intrigue to a team with zero power and poor defense and shows me that the cubs are serious about competing in the next five years.

 

Well, see you next year! Just kidding.

 

I'm surprised that I was finding myself ecstatic about the Rizzo acquisition, and I'm hoping that he can be a big impact and the next young superstar in the game.

 

rizzo was a great pickup because he seems like a good bet to provide above-average production at first base while earning only the league minimum, but i think you'll be very disappointed if you're expecting him to be a superstar or anything close. you have to really destroy to be an elite first baseman, and i really don't think he's got that in him. if we get a run of seasons in the 260/350/480 range (with good defense), i don't think we'll be able to complain in the slightest, but we also won't have a superstar on our hands.