Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah I never got the impression that Corona was any sort of less manly beer. It's not MGD Ultra 64 or something. Then I'd be worried. And if it was a Mike's Hard Lemonade, then I might have to rethink the whole Theo Epstein thing.

 

Yeah, I'd call him a [expletive] and demand Tommy Lasorda as GM

[Clem Fandango]

Theo can drink Colt 45 Blast for all I care

[Sammy Sofa]

Nah, Rolling Rock would be a dealbreaker.

[CubmanPi]

The next person to post about the NBA here gets 24 hours off!

 

Just kidding, but please get back to Theo in this thread.

 

If we start talking about Theo again it might get sexual again

If that happens, the 24 hours off may be beneficial to the person in question.

Usually, 24 hrs sounds about right, but not with Theo. For Theo, after a quick catnap and a sandwich, and I'm ready for more.

[Guest]

enough already. Sorry that I phrased my response in a way that let it to continue on.

[CubmanPi]

More theo talk, that is.

[Banedon]

"They have until Nov. 1 … before this comes to me,'' Selig said. "If I had to guess it'll be another thing that I have to deal with on Nov. 1.''

[Rob]

Every discussion on SoSH is back to Garza and whether or not they can get him.

[gus_dog]

There is no way the Red Sox get anybody from the major league roster. It would be setting a new precedent, and if Selig decides, that's not a decision he's going to make, IMO.

 

The Red Sox are being completely unreasonable. The Cubs have made an offer of compensation that is more than fair. if this goes to Selig, the Red Sox will get screwed.

 

JMHO

[UMFan83]

Every discussion on SoSH is back to Garza and whether or not they can get him.

 

Are they using the "the commissioner is our buddy, he'll totally see our side" logic?

[UMFan83]

Yeah I get the feeling Bud is pissed at the Cubbies right now. They get a franchise changer to lead their organization and they're stonewalling on letting the Sox get their second or third best prospect in a system that's pretty shitty?

 

I think he was trying to send a message to Chicago to wrap it up and get serious before he starts the pillaging.

 

HAHAHAHA Its amazing how bias can affect one's thinking. Damn you Cubs for taking so long, I'm pulling your best pitcher and giving him to the Red Sox because they got robbed when you promoted their GM that didn't want to be there anymore.

[17 Seconds]

Wait, Red Sox fans still think they're getting something good? Cool

[Sammy Sofa]

Gonna be pretty funny when they end up with Jeff Baker + spare part.

[rocket]

yeah, unless i'm missing something, what the cubs got for jed hoyer is the precedent here.

 

anything more than minor league filler would be ridiculous.

[Guest]

yeah, unless i'm missing something, what the cubs got for jed hoyer is the precedent here.

 

anything more than minor league filler would be ridiculous.

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer are not equivalent, but Andy MacPhail and Epstein are, almost. Also, times have changed. I'd expect the Cubs to have to give up a pretty significant (for them) minor leaguer. Selig has to be fair.

 

I think Selig will factor in several things that favor the Cubs:

1. Epstein had one year left

2. A transition was already taking place where Cherington was taking on more responsibility

3. The Red Sox gave permission for Theo to seek other employment

 

The only thing in favor the Red Sox:

1. Theo was under contract

2. Theo is one of the top people in his line of work

 

A deal will be worked out where both fan bases will think they got robbed. I suspect the Red Sox will think they didn't get enough return but they are dealing from a bad situation getting worse. If they wanted to keep Theo for another year they should have denied the Cubs request. I think Ricketts would then have asked to talk to Cherington and they would have been screwed no matter what.

[Outshined_One]

This seems like it best belongs here. Link

 

From the tone of the article, it seems the new Front Office will include a decent amount of the old guard, including Tim Wilken and Randy Bush. It looks like Wilken will retain his role as scouting director, but instead of reporting directly to the general manager, he instead will report to McLeod, who will oversee both scouting and player development. This part pretty much sums it up:

 

“We’ve done a pretty decent job over here, but we can get better,’’ said Wilken, who anticipates a “marrying’’ of approaches that have worked with the Cubs in recent years and those brought in by the new trio of top honchos ­ from grading systems to languages and approaches used in evaluations.

 

Whatever potholes and adjustments might be involved in the process moving forward, the Epstein model for the Cubs clearly includes a strong blend of old and new as he gets underway.

 

Interestingly, the article doesn't mention what will happen with Oneri Fleita.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here's an interesting comment by Theo:

 

Cubs president Theo Epstein said he wants to talk to starter Carlos Zambrano before deciding how to proceed in handling the right-hander, according to Carrie Muskat of MLB.com, whether that be retaining Zambrano or trying to trade him. As well, Epstein hinted at one of the organization's overarching goals: "We're looking for assets," Epstein said. "We're going to scratch and claw and do everything in our power -- in the Draft, internationally, small trades, waiver claims. We need to build assets because we don't have enough of them.

 

I like.

[Outshined_One]

Keeping Zambrano for 2012 is going to be a hard sell to the fans and media. A lot of people didn't like him to begin with, and after his last meltdown, no one will cut Zambrano any slack whatsoever if he comes back.

 

I'm open to keeping Zambrano, especially if trading him will really hurt the team, but I'm enormously leery about it.

[davearm2]

Maybe Z can have his interview with Theo right after Quade's.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Keeping Zambrano for 2012 is going to be a hard sell to the fans and media. A lot of people didn't like him to begin with, and after his last meltdown, no one will cut Zambrano any slack whatsoever if he comes back.

 

I'm open to keeping Zambrano, especially if trading him will really hurt the team, but I'm enormously leery about it.

 

I don't think the question is will trading him really hurt the team, it's how will it benefit the team? I've said all along, if nothing else Z's a quality mid rotation pitcher. I know that you don't want to pay a mid rotation guy 18 mil but that's irrelevant at this point as we'll be paying most of it wherever he pitches. He's more valuable to us than if we send him away, pay at least 15 of the 18 mil and replace him with Casey Coleman. Z's best value is if we keep him and hope he can make the most out of what is sure to end up a contract year and if he can pitch well and behave himself then shop him around if we're not contending.

[Guest]

Keeping Zambrano for 2012 is going to be a hard sell to the fans and media. A lot of people didn't like him to begin with, and after his last meltdown, no one will cut Zambrano any slack whatsoever if he comes back.

 

I'm open to keeping Zambrano, especially if trading him will really hurt the team, but I'm enormously leery about it.

This is all true. But teams have dealt with this kind of situation before and had it work out.

 

Personally, I'm much more concerned about his declining performance than the tirades & such.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Keeping Zambrano for 2012 is going to be a hard sell to the fans and media. A lot of people didn't like him to begin with, and after his last meltdown, no one will cut Zambrano any slack whatsoever if he comes back.

 

I'm open to keeping Zambrano, especially if trading him will really hurt the team, but I'm enormously leery about it.

This is all true. But teams have dealt with this kind of situation before and had it work out.

 

Personally, I'm much more concerned about his declining performance than the tirades & such.

 

But what it comes down to is that his trade value can't get any lower, but f we waited until mid season, it could get higher.

[RammyFanny]

Keeping Zambrano for 2012 is going to be a hard sell to the fans and media. A lot of people didn't like him to begin with, and after his last meltdown, no one will cut Zambrano any slack whatsoever if he comes back.

 

I'm open to keeping Zambrano, especially if trading him will really hurt the team, but I'm enormously leery about it.

 

I don't think the question is will trading him really hurt the team, it's how will it benefit the team? I've said all along, if nothing else Z's a quality mid rotation pitcher. I know that you don't want to pay a mid rotation guy 18 mil but that's irrelevant at this point as we'll be paying most of it wherever he pitches. He's more valuable to us than if we send him away, pay at least 15 of the 18 mil and replace him with Casey Coleman. Z's best value is if we keep him and hope he can make the most out of what is sure to end up a contract year and if he can pitch well and behave himself then shop him around if we're not contending.

Yes. I'm pretty much 100% for keeping Z and slotting him into the #4 spot (assuming we acquire another SP).

[dew1679666265]

MLBTR:

 

With Bud Selig looking more likely to intervene in discussions between the Red Sox and Cubs on Theo Epstein compensation, ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Insider link) predicts that the Sox won't get much for their former GM. Olney writes that the league has attempted to "tamp down the perceived value of executives," and that a huge return for Epstein wouldn't be consistent with those efforts.

[UMFan83]

There was more to that quote that is quite a good point. If Bud Selig gives the Red Sox Garza, which he wont, can you imagine the next time a highly regarded executive discusses a contract extension? "Theo was worth a $10 million pitcher, I should be making $8 million based on that."