Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[SouthSideRyan]

They can just relegate Theo to the basement with a stapler for the next 12 months, like Milton from Office Space, if they want to while Cherrington does all the GM work.

 

Well, no, they probably can't.

[Scotti]

I'm not sure how the sox can make Theo sit out a year. He's their GM. They can't just sit him on the bench like a grumpy slugger.

I also can't imagine him going back to work there either. That's why I think it will happen. It will take as much time as Henry can drag out of Ricketts. It's a huge PR mess for them. Dragging this thing out is about the only face saving gesture they can do at this point. After it's over they will sling mud on Ricketts and Theo and hope the masses buy it all.

 

I mean legally they can't keep him under contract and prevent him from fulfilling his duties. I assume his contract gives him pretty broad baseball decision authority that they'd need someone to use. They can't just usurp that without letting him go one way or another.

 

At some point, it was brought up by someone that Epstein didn't include a lawyer and negotiated his own contract with the Red Sox, so maybe that language isn't in there. Or maybe it is. Who knows.

 

This is the kind of thing that would be reported on if we had remotely competent sports journalists in either town.

 

Language stating that he can't be pushed aside doesn't need to be there--it's standard (just as getting paid in a timely fashion is standard). Specific language stating that he could be pushed aside on a whim WOULD need to be there and that never happened (just as specific language stating that the team could pay him years later would need to be there).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Selig has the power to strip the Boston owners of the franchise on a whim, and they likely signed an agreement when they bought the team that they wouldn't ever sue him, even if he did that.

 

He has broad powers. He may not want to use them, but he definitely has nearly infinite power within baseball.

I don't think that is correct. He works at the pleasure of the owners. I don't think the rest of the owners would take kindly to Bud siding with one party or the other like that. There is no "best interest of baseball clause here". This is a discussion among two members of the club.

 

Whether you think it or not, this really is correct. He has the authority to say tomorrow "I find that Epstein going to the Cubs is in the best interests of baseball, and if you don't do it, I will revoke your franchise."

 

It's the ultimate nuclear option, because it torches franchise value and the owners would vote to fire him the next day, but it's still within his authority.

[Brian]

How do the Cubs have more of a sense of urgency?

 

The Cubs just had a crap season, and have no expectations for next season.

The Red Sox just crapped the bed with what was suppose to be an all time great team.

 

The Cubs have an interim GM, and a manager.

 

The Red Sox have two GMs each with one foot in the door and one foot out, and no manager.

 

Sure it would be nice for the Cubs to get moving, but they can afford to wait more than the Sox IMO.

[Guest]

I'm eager to see Fred's tally at the end of tonight.

[Scotti]

Pretty sure if it drags on much longer, Selig will get involved and tell Henry to go scratch. I have never seen such madness from one team over a guy they do not want.

 

He may have been involved already.

[Scotti]

Why is nobody entertaining the fact that maybe the reason that they keep denying a deal being done to any media members who come calling is because they were specifically told by Selig NOT to make the announcement until a set time? Just saying.

 

B-I-N-G-O

[Guest]

Selig has the power to strip the Boston owners of the franchise on a whim, and they likely signed an agreement when they bought the team that they wouldn't ever sue him, even if he did that.

 

He has broad powers. He may not want to use them, but he definitely has nearly infinite power within baseball.

I don't think that is correct. He works at the pleasure of the owners. I don't think the rest of the owners would take kindly to Bud siding with one party or the other like that. There is no "best interest of baseball clause here". This is a discussion among two members of the club.

 

Whether you think it or not, this really is correct. He has the authority to say tomorrow "I find that Epstein going to the Cubs is in the best interests of baseball, and if you don't do it, I will revoke your franchise."

 

It's the ultimate nuclear option, because it torches franchise value and the owners would vote to fire him the next day, but it's still within his authority.

Show me where it says he can do that.

[Epsteenie]

Gordon Edes

It's done, according to source: Hoyer to join Theo as GM of Cubs, Byrnes new GM in SD

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm not sure how the sox can make Theo sit out a year. He's their GM. They can't just sit him on the bench like a grumpy slugger.

I also can't imagine him going back to work there either. That's why I think it will happen. It will take as much time as Henry can drag out of Ricketts. It's a huge PR mess for them. Dragging this thing out is about the only face saving gesture they can do at this point. After it's over they will sling mud on Ricketts and Theo and hope the masses buy it all.

 

I mean legally they can't keep him under contract and prevent him from fulfilling his duties. I assume his contract gives him pretty broad baseball decision authority that they'd need someone to use. They can't just usurp that without letting him go one way or another.

 

The Red Sox have always operated their front office by committee approach. They can, and have when Theo resigned in 2005, operate their front office with one leg missing from the stool. That's why it's fuzzy who is to blame for all those putrid contracts.

 

They can just relegate Theo to the basement with a stapler for the next 12 months, like Milton from Office Space, if they want to while Cherrington does all the GM work. I don't know why they would when there is 6.5 million on the books and they can get compensation for him today, but it's not the first time upper management in a business has done something dumb/petty when huge egos and pride get involved.

 

Yeah I doubt that's true. That's called breach of contract.

[mookie]

Alright, so I am going to operate under the assumption that word of deal will leak approximately 30 minutes after the final out tonight.

[Guest]

Sort of funny if after all this, Boston got pissed after a deal was already agreed to, and despite how well Ricketts kept everything under wraps, Kenney goes and blows it by letting the cat out of the bag too soon.

 

The local media would have love it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/10/20/sources-theo-epstein-expected-to-bring-jed-hoyer-jason-mcleod-to-cubs/

 

According to multiple industry sources, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein will have some familiar members of his baseball operations staff once he joins the Cubs. Epstein is expected to be named something along the lines of president of baseball operations, with Padres GM Jed Hoyer – who worked with Epstein and the Sox from 2002-09, rising from the position of intern to Assistant GM — leaving San Diego to become general manager of the Cubs. As first reported by FoxSports.com, those sources also confirm that Padres Assistant GM Jason McLeod, formerly the director of amateur scouting in Boston, is expected to go to Chicago in a senior management position in baseball operations.

[Scotti]

I'm not sure how the sox can make Theo sit out a year. He's their GM. They can't just sit him on the bench like a grumpy slugger.

I also can't imagine him going back to work there either. That's why I think it will happen. It will take as much time as Henry can drag out of Ricketts. It's a huge PR mess for them. Dragging this thing out is about the only face saving gesture they can do at this point. After it's over they will sling mud on Ricketts and Theo and hope the masses buy it all.

 

I mean legally they can't keep him under contract and prevent him from fulfilling his duties. I assume his contract gives him pretty broad baseball decision authority that they'd need someone to use. They can't just usurp that without letting him go one way or another.

I wasn't thinking about it that way, but I would guess Henry and Theo would have to make some sort of an agreement about his duties or buy him out with a clause that says he can't work in MLB for some period to time. He's already told them he's done after the year so it's hard to see how he could be thinking about the big picture.

 

Anyway, it's over for Theo and the Red Sox. He isn't coming back to work for them.

 

Theo would have ALL of the leverage. Every single bit. He wouldn't need to surrender working immediately (the Cubs would pay him everything that Boston was going to pay him anyway).

[Tracer Bullet]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

 

 

This forum must amuse the hell out of you then.

 

 

That said, it's not your existence that is annoying. It's the fact that people keep asking questions that have been answered like 10x already by links/reports.

 

 

Even if there's too much random discussion in here, is it that much harder to check ESPNChicago or the Tribune's sports page for the latest than it is to ask someone here?

 

It does! I have a great time here.

 

Perhaps someone could throw together an FAQ and put it in the original post? That way if someone asks a question that has been "asked a million times" (give or take), they can be directed to the FAQ in the OP. Just seems like it would make things easier on everyone and cut down on a lot of the repetition.

 

Not only will you not check any of the dozens of news sources but you suggest that someone else summarize everything for you in a neat little FAQ section?

[Scotti]

Score reporting that it IS all done. Per "I just got off the phone with a source."

[Exile on Waveland]

Selig has the power to strip the Boston owners of the franchise on a whim, and they likely signed an agreement when they bought the team that they wouldn't ever sue him, even if he did that.

 

He has broad powers. He may not want to use them, but he definitely has nearly infinite power within baseball.

I don't think that is correct. He works at the pleasure of the owners. I don't think the rest of the owners would take kindly to Bud siding with one party or the other like that. There is no "best interest of baseball clause here". This is a discussion among two members of the club.

 

Whether you think it or not, this really is correct. He has the authority to say tomorrow "I find that Epstein going to the Cubs is in the best interests of baseball, and if you don't do it, I will revoke your franchise."

 

It's the ultimate nuclear option, because it torches franchise value and the owners would vote to fire him the next day, but it's still within his authority.

Show me where it says he can do that.

 

Are you disputing that the "best interests of baseball" clause exists? Otherwise, I'm not sure what your argument is.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Breaking again:

4Min ago

Gordon Edes

@Gordon Edes

 

It's done. According to source: Hoyer to join Theo as GM of Cubs, Brynes new GM in SD.

 

:yahoo:

[SouthSideRyan]

Crane Kenney, getting [expletive] done.

[Vinestal]

Gordon Edes

It's done, according to source: Hoyer to join Theo as GM of Cubs, Byrnes new GM in SD

Ha! WTF Now a big time Boston media type is saying its done? Im going to lose my mind, why cant people make up their minds!

[Hollandsworths mug]

This had better be it now.

[Clem Fandango]

Breaking again:

4Min ago

Gordon Edes

@Gordon Edes

 

It's done. According to source: Hoyer to join Theo as GM of Cubs, Brynes new GM in SD.

 

:yahoo:

 

This is shitty phrasing... is he reporting that Hoyer to Chicago is a green light as soon as the Theo deal is done or that Theo to Chicago is a green light and as a result Hoyer is as well?

Edited October 20, 2011 by The Logan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Show me where it says he can do that.

 

I don't have a copy of all the agreements between MLB and owners, but it's come up quite a bit in baseball history.

 

He threatened to use it on the Dodgers this year, and here's a link referencing his ability to do it to the Rangers last year:

 

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4373:lwib-the-battle-over-who-controls-the-sale-of-the-texas-rangers-tidbits&catid=67:pete-toms&Itemid=155

[bukie]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/10/20/sources-theo-epstein-expected-to-bring-jed-hoyer-jason-mcleod-to-cubs/

 

According to multiple industry sources, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein will have some familiar members of his baseball operations staff once he joins the Cubs. Epstein is expected to be named something along the lines of president of baseball operations, with Padres GM Jed Hoyer – who worked with Epstein and the Sox from 2002-09, rising from the position of intern to Assistant GM — leaving San Diego to become general manager of the Cubs. As first reported by FoxSports.com, those sources also confirm that Padres Assistant GM Jason McLeod, formerly the director of amateur scouting in Boston, is expected to go to Chicago in a senior management position in baseball operations.

If a Boston source is saying it's done, then it's done.

[Laura]

Theo really is getting the band back together.

 

Sort of funny if after all this, Boston got pissed after a deal was already agreed to, and despite how well Ricketts kept everything under wraps, Kenney goes and blows it by letting the cat out of the bag too soon.

 

The local media would have love it.

 

I'm neutral on Kenney, but if that's the way it played out, he prob does need the boot.