Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is nobody entertaining the fact that maybe the reason that they keep denying a deal being done to any media members who come calling is because they were specifically told by Selig NOT to make the announcement until a set time? Just saying.

 

Lucchino would've told 18 people by the time I finished this sentence.

[Fast Freddie Bynum]

What's the latest?

 

 

18%

[Vinestal]

Kaplan now saying this is nothing more than last minute postering by the Red Sox and that the deal will get done.

 

The Red Sox figure they can out wait the Cubs on this one.

 

Which is an increasingly insane viewpoint. The only thing that the Red Sox could hope to pin the Cubs on was that they HAD to have Epstein as the GM, and they'd need him to start making decisions soon. With the news that Epstein would be president and Hoyer is the GM target, there is little urgency in adding a President of Baseball Ops immediately. Or at the very least they can wait a lot longer than the Sox would want to before their sending Theo 6.5 million dollars and the entire organization isn't sure if Theo is actually running things during actual offseason decisions. Levine was dead on, what children.

 

Someone compared this to a divorce earlier, and it certainly seems like the negotiating style is spiteful. Hope it doesn't come to a 2012 scenario.

 

What I've read is that Hoyer wouldn't make the jump until Theo is on board, but I assume the timing could be moved up if necessary.

 

This is what needs to happen, we need to bring the SD guys in now and let Boston see that we dont give a flying freak what they want we can wait till next year comes if thats what it takes.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Vinestal

[erik316wttn]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

[Epsteenie]

According to B & B, Kaplan and Levine's source is Kenney. So.... there's that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

Yes and possibly. But the thinking right now is that SD won't ask for any compensation because they are happy with Byrnes, Hoyer wants to go back to the Midwest and Hendry/Moorad are best buddies.

[SouthSideRyan]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

Yes.

 

No.

[Guest]

Kaplan now saying this is nothing more than last minute postering by the Red Sox and that the deal will get done.

 

The Red Sox figure they can out wait the Cubs on this one.

 

Which is an increasingly insane viewpoint. The only thing that the Red Sox could hope to pin the Cubs on was that they HAD to have Epstein as the GM, and they'd need him to start making decisions soon. With the news that Epstein would be president and Hoyer is the GM target, there is little urgency in adding a President of Baseball Ops immediately. Or at the very least they can wait a lot longer than the Sox would want to before their sending Theo 6.5 million dollars and the entire organization isn't sure if Theo is actually running things during actual offseason decisions. Levine was dead on, what children.

 

Someone compared this to a divorce earlier, and it certainly seems like the negotiating style is spiteful. Hope it doesn't come to a 2012 scenario.

That was me. After they traded Nomar they tarred his name to the masses, by saying he was sulky. When Francona left they let it be know that he might have a drug problem. Henry's also said he didn't like the Crawford signing.

 

It's petty, but it's their track record too.

 

Also, I see a lot of people who say they want Bud to broker a deal. I don't think he can do too much. His office has limited powers for such things. He could probably lean on both parties, but I don't think he can side with party.

Edited October 20, 2011 by CubinNY

[Guest]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

[Tracer Bullet]

At some point, it was brought up by someone that Epstein didn't include a lawyer and negotiated his own contract with the Red Sox, so maybe that language isn't in there. Or maybe it is. Who knows.

 

This is the kind of thing that would be reported on if we had remotely competent sports journalists in either town.

 

Well, he did go to Law School and got his J.D.

 

So he passed the bar *and* he knows a little bit?

 

Wiki says he didn't take the bar and attended SD law while working for the Pads. He clearly has negotiated some contracts in his time, but I maintain that he was crazy to negotiate his own with the sox.

 

I still think or hope he's smart enough not to allow himself to be held hostage. I also don't think Bud would allow that precedent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Selig has the power to strip the Boston owners of the franchise on a whim, and they likely signed an agreement when they bought the team that they wouldn't ever sue him, even if he did that.

 

He has broad powers. He may not want to use them, but he definitely has nearly infinite power within baseball.

[erik316wttn]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

[Guest]

At some point, it was brought up by someone that Epstein didn't include a lawyer and negotiated his own contract with the Red Sox, so maybe that language isn't in there. Or maybe it is. Who knows.

 

This is the kind of thing that would be reported on if we had remotely competent sports journalists in either town.

 

Well, he did go to Law School and got his J.D.

 

So he passed the bar *and* he knows a little bit?

 

Yup. So they definitely won't be illegally searching his [expletive].

 

We'll see how smart he is when the canines come.

 

I got 99 problems but Lucchino ain't one.

[Tracer Bullet]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

 

I won't speak for David, but the current annoyance may come from asking a Q that was addressed a million times in the last couple of days.

[Epsteenie]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

You sure do a lot of sighing

[Guest]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

 

 

This forum must amuse the hell out of you then.

 

 

That said, it's not your existence that is annoying. It's the fact that people keep asking questions that have been answered like 10x already by links/reports.

 

 

Even if there's too much random discussion in here, is it that much harder to check ESPNChicago or the Tribune's sports page for the latest than it is to ask someone here?

[Clem Fandango]

Hyperbolic question: If Theo convinced Hoyer to jump ship to Chicago, wouldn't that be tampering on the Red Sox part?

[Guest]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

You sure do a lot of sighing

 

I do?

[Elrhino]

I'm not sure how the sox can make Theo sit out a year. He's their GM. They can't just sit him on the bench like a grumpy slugger.

I also can't imagine him going back to work there either. That's why I think it will happen. It will take as much time as Henry can drag out of Ricketts. It's a huge PR mess for them. Dragging this thing out is about the only face saving gesture they can do at this point. After it's over they will sling mud on Ricketts and Theo and hope the masses buy it all.

 

I mean legally they can't keep him under contract and prevent him from fulfilling his duties. I assume his contract gives him pretty broad baseball decision authority that they'd need someone to use. They can't just usurp that without letting him go one way or another.

 

The Red Sox have always operated their front office by committee approach. They can, and have when Theo resigned in 2005, operate their front office with one leg missing from the stool. That's why it's fuzzy who is to blame for all those putrid contracts.

 

They can just relegate Theo to the basement with a stapler for the next 12 months, like Milton from Office Space, if they want to while Cherrington does all the GM work. I don't know why they would when there is 6.5 million on the books and they can get compensation for him today, but it's not the first time upper management in a business has done something dumb/petty when huge egos and pride get involved.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Elrhino

[Guest]

Selig has the power to strip the Boston owners of the franchise on a whim, and they likely signed an agreement when they bought the team that they wouldn't ever sue him, even if he did that.

 

He has broad powers. He may not want to use them, but he definitely has nearly infinite power within baseball.

I don't think that is correct. He works at the pleasure of the owners. I don't think the rest of the owners would take kindly to Bud siding with one party or the other like that. There is no "best interest of baseball clause here". This is a discussion among two members of the club.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Epstein reports rankle Red Sox owner:

 

http://www.wgntv.com/sports/chi-epstein-signing-will-be-made-official-on-friday-20111020,0,5161131.story

 

The latest chapter in the contentious compensation talks began Wednesday night when Chicago sportscaster David Kaplan tweeted a "deal is basically done," adding "word should be leaked" Thursday with a news conference expected Friday. ESPNChicago.com reported on its Twitter account that a "Friday press conf." would be held for Epstein. The Tribune reported Thursday the Cubs were expecting a Friday news conference to announce the signing.

 

But Henry's insistence that the deal is "not close" means the long wait for Epstein figures to get even longer. Whether the Red Sox will punish the Cubs for the percieved leaking of a "done deal" remains to be seen. The Red Sox don't have the same sense of urgency as the Cubs, and can afford to wait until the end of the World Series to finish the deal.

 

Wouldn't it be Kaplan-esque for this to happen because of Kaps tweets?

Edited October 20, 2011 by Hollandsworth's mug

[erik316wttn]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

 

I won't speak for David, but the current annoyance may come from asking a Q that was addressed a million times in the last couple of days.

 

Possibly. Apologies for not reading through 6 billion new posts.

[glavine93]

Wiki says he didn't take the bar and attended SD law while working for the Pads. He clearly has negotiated some contracts in his time, but I maintain that he was crazy to negotiate his own with the sox.

 

I still think or hope he's smart enough not to allow himself to be held hostage. I also don't think Bud would allow that precedent.

 

for what it's worth, I think he did take and pass the exam; not that this renders him capable of anything at all believe me http://www.foundationtobenamedlater.org/founders.html

 

although it WAS the cal bar so that makes him exponentially hotter

[erik316wttn]

So was Hoyer under contract to SD? If so, do we owe them any compensation?

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

Moorad and Ricketts are buddies. Moorad loves Byrnes. Therefore, Moorad will not stand in the way of Hoyer coming to the Cubs, thereby allowing him to promote Byrnes to GM.

 

Your annoyance by my very existence is amusing to me.

 

 

This forum must amuse the hell out of you then.

 

 

That said, it's not your existence that is annoying. It's the fact that people keep asking questions that have been answered like 10x already by links/reports.

 

 

Even if there's too much random discussion in here, is it that much harder to check ESPNChicago or the Tribune's sports page for the latest than it is to ask someone here?

 

It does! I have a great time here.

 

Perhaps someone could throw together an FAQ and put it in the original post? That way if someone asks a question that has been "asked a million times" (give or take), they can be directed to the FAQ in the OP. Just seems like it would make things easier on everyone and cut down on a lot of the repetition.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Possibly. Apologies for not reading through 6 billion new posts.

 

You're missing alot of new info then...stuff like "Red Sox and Cubs still negotiating" and "an announcement might come as early as Friday"...you know...things that weren't around in the first couple days of this little...event.