Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Rob]

What will make this even funnier is in a couple of seasons, Cherington will be here working for Theo again.

 

Given the way things seem to be playing out over there, that might not be far off the mark. LL obviously wants to run the show... and Cherington will probably resent being the puppet GM at some point.

[mookie]

What will make this even funnier is in a couple of seasons, Cherington will be here working for Theo again.

 

The drop off is pretty significant.

[jersey cubs fan]

What will make this even funnier is in a couple of seasons, Cherington will be here working for Theo again.

 

Given the way things seem to be playing out over there, that might not be far off the mark. LL obviously wants to run the show... and Cherington will probably resent being the puppet GM at some point.

 

Better to be a puppet GM than 2nd in command behind another team's puppet GM.

[Pushfrog98]

Just waiting for the headline "CHRIS CARPENTER TRADED TO RED SOX".

I've been trolling my Cardinal fan friends with this line. It's been fun.

[jersey cubs fan]

So if they can't just trade a player for Theo why did they need to trade a player for Theo?

[Guest]

Otherwise the Hand of Bud would have moved a player from team to team.

[UMFan83]

So if they can't just trade a player for Theo why did they need to trade a player for Theo?

 

My guess is that the Red Sox could have forced Theo to remain in Boston to serve out the remainder of the contract so they needed some convincing to agree to do that. So the official transaction is Chris Carpenter and a PTBNL to the Red Sox for a PTBNL. And then by making this trade, the Red Sox have "separately" agreed to let Theo out of his contract and sign with the Cubs. Except it happened completely out of order.

 

I dunno if that addresses your question or if that is all obvious to you already and the question was more rhetorical.

[dew1679666265]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more. Carpenter's not a great prospect by any means, but simply giving away a fairly young pitcher with really good stuff is annoying.

 

Lucchino throwing a hissy fit definitely worked out in his favor.

[Little Slide Rooter]

SoSHs hopes went from Castro to Garza to Brett Jackson to McNutt to Szczur to Cashner to Vitters to McNutt to Lake to McNutt and most recently, Dolis or Beliveau. They got a guy who could be a shut down, back end reliever if he fixes his control issues. They act like we sent them Brian Schlitter. At this point, they should be happy they didn't end up with a plant and a thank you card. You're welcome.

[SouthSideRyan]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more.

 

Where'd you hear this?

[XZero771679666304]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more.

 

Where'd you hear this?

 

I doubt that very much. If it were the case (or even likely the case), why wouldn't Lucchino simply have allowed it to happen?

[Cubswin11]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more. Carpenter's not a great prospect by any means, but simply giving away a fairly young pitcher with really good stuff is annoying.

 

Lucchino throwing a hissy fit definitely worked out in his favor.

How so? We still end up with one of the best, if not the single best, front offices in baseball. I'll gladly give Chris Carpenter up for that. His absolutely highest potential is to be like a LaTroy Hawkins or Bobby Howry type pitcher when they were good, which is a solid 8th inning guy but nothing you can't replace through FA or your system.

[Cubswin11]

Oh and now that we have a open spot on the 40-man go sign Soler already, Theo/Jed**.

 

 

 

 

 

**I know he still really isn't able to be signed officially yet.

[dew1679666265]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more.

 

Where'd you hear this?

 

Nothing specific, just the rumors flying around of McNutt being possible and Bud possibly favoring the Red Sox in what the two teams meant by "significant" compensation before the process started.

 

I've also got to assume that Theo settled on Carpenter because he felt that waiting longer would have cost us a better prospect. That's pure speculation on my part, though, with nothing to back it up.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Red Sox definitely won this one, but from the sound of the rumors, if Bud had gotten involved we may have had to give up more. Carpenter's not a great prospect by any means, but simply giving away a fairly young pitcher with really good stuff is annoying.

 

Lucchino throwing a hissy fit definitely worked out in his favor.

How so? We still end up with one of the best, if not the single best, front offices in baseball. I'll gladly give Chris Carpenter up for that. His absolutely highest potential is to be like a LaTroy Hawkins or Bobby Howry type pitcher when they were good, which is a solid 8th inning guy but nothing you can't replace through FA or your system.

 

Agreed. He wasted no time overhauling this entire franchise despite the ugly surface. We already had a pen loaded with options to fill 3 available spots and I'm glad it was him over Dolis or Beliveau. Personally, I think that it was a great resolution for both sides aside from a few Cubs fans who thought we'd give up nothing and Red Sox fans who thought they'd get everything. He has a great chance to make the Red Sox bullpen, which seems to be their main weakness. COnsidering that less than 24 hours ago people were ligitamately worried that we'd give up McNutt, I think we should be relieved(no pun intended).

[dew1679666265]

How so? We still end up with one of the best, if not the single best, front offices in baseball. I'll gladly give Chris Carpenter up for that. His absolutely highest potential is to be like a LaTroy Hawkins or Bobby Howry type pitcher when they were good, which is a solid 8th inning guy but nothing you can't replace through FA or your system.

 

Because we were getting Theo either way. The Red Sox weren't going to pull him back and force him to work for them another year. Thus, the Red Sox were entitled to a lower level, decent prospect like the Twins received for MacPhail in the exact same situation, but because Lucchino pitched a fit and dragged this on, he got a near-ML ready reliever with some upside. I love that we got Theo and in a vacuum he's well worth Carpenter and then some, but this isn't a vacuum. There was a prior precedent set for this exact situation and we exceeded that precedent by quite a bit. That's what annoys me and why I think the Red Sox won the negotiations.

 

And giving away a guy who could become a really good to great late inning reliever for a long time is fairly significant. Especially considering Carpenter's very close to being ML ready and the prior precedent didn't even make the majors.

[jersey cubs fan]

How so? We still end up with one of the best, if not the single best, front offices in baseball. I'll gladly give Chris Carpenter up for that. His absolutely highest potential is to be like a LaTroy Hawkins or Bobby Howry type pitcher when they were good, which is a solid 8th inning guy but nothing you can't replace through FA or your system.

 

Because we were getting Theo either way. The Red Sox weren't going to pull him back and force him to work for them another year. Thus, the Red Sox were entitled to a lower level, decent prospect like the Twins received for MacPhail in the exact same situation, but because Lucchino pitched a fit and dragged this on, he got a near-ML ready reliever with some upside. I love that we got Theo and in a vacuum he's well worth Carpenter and then some, but this isn't a vacuum. There was a prior precedent set for this exact situation and we exceeded that precedent by quite a bit. That's what annoys me and why I think the Red Sox won the negotiations.

 

And giving away a guy who could become a really good to great late inning reliever for a long time is fairly significant. Especially considering Carpenter's very close to being ML ready and the prior precedent didn't even make the majors.

 

Eh, when this went down I was under the impression somebody like Carpenter or Vitters would be going over. Their insanely high opening requestions and feet dragging helped them get a little more than the Cubs probably thought was required, but it's hardly that big of a deal.

[bukie]

I really don't think that giving up a player whose top-end projection is above-average middle reliever makes this a loss for the Cubs.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Carpenter is 26 and can't throw strikes. You can drool all you want over his upside, but the most likely scenario is that he never becomes a useful MLB pitcher for any extended length of time.

[jersey cubs fan]

It all evens out in the end

[dew1679666265]

Eh, when this went down I was under the impression somebody like Carpenter or Vitters would be going over. Their insanely high opening requestions and feet dragging helped them get a little more than the Cubs probably thought was required, but it's hardly that big of a deal.

 

No, it's not a big deal. It is annoying, though, because I feel like we gave up more than we should have. It's not something I'm going to freak out over or anything, but it's annoying that Lucchino got his way.

 

I really don't think that giving up a player whose top-end projection is above-average middle reliever makes this a loss for the Cubs.

 

I was hearing some people throw around set-up guy/closer as his top-end projection, if he could figure out the control. I realize that's unlikely, but I'd think average to above average middle reliever is his most likely outcome.

[davell]

I'm pretty sure a couple of months ago, Levine said we had a deal in place to end this and it was Carpenter. But Lucchino threw a hissy and nixed it. All in all, I think this is hilarious, if true, because we stood our ground and waited out Lucchino's stupidity. As far as losing Carpenter goes: I'm perfectly fine with giving up an older prospect with command issues and former elbow problems for what's turned into the best Front Office in the game.

[dew1679666265]

Carpenter is 26 and can't throw strikes. You can drool all you want over his upside, but the most likely scenario is that he never becomes a useful MLB pitcher for any extended length of time.

 

We've been talking about assets and collecting assets, that's exactly what Carpenter is. With his stuff and upside, he could easily become a part of acquiring other, better assets if he came up this year and had success. That isn't enough to freak out over, but it's enough for a bit of an annoyance.

[jersey cubs fan]

Carpenter is 26 and can't throw strikes. You can drool all you want over his upside, but the most likely scenario is that he never becomes a useful MLB pitcher for any extended length of time.

 

We've been talking about assets and collecting assets, that's exactly what Carpenter is. With his stuff and upside, he could easily become a part of acquiring other, better assets if he came up this year and had success. That isn't enough to freak out over, but it's enough for a bit of an annoyance.

 

But we knew all along they were going to give up an asset and not just some empty minor league jersey.

[KingCubsFan]

Eh, when this went down I was under the impression somebody like Carpenter or Vitters would be going over. Their insanely high opening requestions and feet dragging helped them get a little more than the Cubs probably thought was required, but it's hardly that big of a deal.

 

No, it's not a big deal. It is annoying, though, because I feel like we gave up more than we should have. It's not something I'm going to freak out over or anything, but it's annoying that Lucchino got his way.

If Lucchino got his way, we would have given up Castro or Garza. He's probably mad about the return. And I wouldn't worry too much about losing Carpenter. We already acquired a very similar player in Casey Weathers, and we still have Blake Parker. Right-handed relief pitchers are the easiest "asset" to acquire in baseball.