Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Mr.X]

 

Jackson is high, McNutt is a pitcher who was drafted after the 30th or so round, came out of nowhere and regressed. I think again this type of player is fair compensation. If Hendry had the opportunity to include him over Archer for Garza then well...that's why he isn't the GM anymore. Plus I've met Hendry before...not a fan...although JP Riccardi is the biggest ahole I've met in the industry.

 

you are literally the first person i have ever heard of who has met hendry and didnt say he was incredibly nice

 

That was the first thought I had when I read his post. I've never heard anything negative about Hendry's personality before that post.

 

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

[ScrubMD]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

I like this

[Mr.X]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

I like this

 

I bet if you look at every single trade negotiation you'll see instances like this more often than not.

[SouthSideRyan]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

You start high and you work your way down, by asking for a Low A ball player with no ceiling in return, you're making the Cubs fan base do handstands, and probably leaving something on the table. I have to negotiate contracts every day...it can be annoying as hell but people understand parameters before speaking and then you work your way to a middle ground in which both parties can agree to.

 

Pretty dumb of the Red Sox to not start with Castro.

[CUBZ99]

I'm not necessarily trying to discount the 6.5 million dollars, however JWH owns a racing team and liverpool, so it comes in this situation that I don't think 6.5 million is a huge loss. Especially since they've eaten more just to get rid of Renteria and Lugo. I think they would be fine, obviously though its better to gain 6.5 million then lose it, that's just good business, however if one or two of those players turn into 4 million dollar a year players then you make your profit back. That's just my opinion in the matter. I don't lie to get my point across and I try not to pull punches, I think both teams are in a rare situation in which no matter the outcome they could both win, or they could both lose. I personally don't think its lose lose for either side if this doesn't get done.

 

That is ridiculous and just about as bad as the PR job that the Sox have been trying to do throughout the process. It really appears to be a bi-polar organization. One moment they trash Theo, the next moment they love him, they can't wait to get rid of him, they would love for him to stay. The sad part is that almost all of the early leaks were from Sox and have really backed them into a corner at this point.

 

Theo clearly wants to leave, and management clearly wants him gone. Everything else is just fiction. I don't think any rational person believes that the Cubs will give up more than a few mid-level prospects to get him.

 

Also, I think Sox fans clearly overestimate the impact of this deal falling through. Most of the Theo to the Cubs hype is from the more than casual fan. If you don't believe me, read the stories all over Chicago about how surprised the beat writers are that fans are not as excited about Theo coming as they expected them to be. The biggest story this offseason for the Cubs, is that they actually have an owner that "gets it". No more old cliches, but an owner that sees the significance of numbers and statistics. Even if the Cubs don't get Theo, they are going to get a GM in the same mold and for that they will be much better off.

[MSG T]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

I like this

 

I bet if you look at every single trade negotiation you'll see instances like this more often than not.

 

 

Only if backtobanks is involved.

[Mr.X]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

You start high and you work your way down, by asking for a Low A ball player with no ceiling in return, you're making the Cubs fan base do handstands, and probably leaving something on the table. I have to negotiate contracts every day...it can be annoying as hell but people understand parameters before speaking and then you work your way to a middle ground in which both parties can agree to.

 

Pretty dumb of the Red Sox to not start with Castro.

 

Castro is a wet dream for Sox Fans that was the most far fetched scenario to begin with.

[XZero771679666304]

 

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

One of Hendry's biggest flaws was that he was too nice. It was also the only reason anyone here had any mixed feelings about seeing him canned.

[dew1679666265]

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

Wasn't being critical of you, I just found it surprising that someone had something negative to report about Hendry's personality. From everything I've heard, he's a really easy guy to like (just not as a GM).

[Mr.X]

I'm not necessarily trying to discount the 6.5 million dollars, however JWH owns a racing team and liverpool, so it comes in this situation that I don't think 6.5 million is a huge loss. Especially since they've eaten more just to get rid of Renteria and Lugo. I think they would be fine, obviously though its better to gain 6.5 million then lose it, that's just good business, however if one or two of those players turn into 4 million dollar a year players then you make your profit back. That's just my opinion in the matter. I don't lie to get my point across and I try not to pull punches, I think both teams are in a rare situation in which no matter the outcome they could both win, or they could both lose. I personally don't think its lose lose for either side if this doesn't get done.

 

That is ridiculous and just about as bad as the PR job that the Sox have been trying to do throughout the process. It really appears to be a bi-polar organization. One moment they trash Theo, the next moment they love him, they can't wait to get rid of him, they would love for him to stay. The sad part is that almost all of the early leaks were from Sox and have really backed them into a corner at this point.

 

Theo clearly wants to leave, and management clearly wants him gone. Everything else is just fiction. I don't think any rational person believes that the Cubs will give up more than a few mid-level prospects to get him.

 

Also, I think Sox fans clearly overestimate the impact of this deal falling through. Most of the Theo to the Cubs hype is from the more than casual fan. If you don't believe me, read the stories all over Chicago about how surprised the beat writers are that fans are not as excited about Theo coming as they expected them to be. The biggest story this offseason for the Cubs, is that they actually have an owner that "gets it". No more old cliches, but an owner that sees the significance of numbers and statistics. Even if the Cubs don't get Theo, they are going to get a GM in the same mold and for that they will be much better off.

 

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again. I wouldn't say management clearly wants him gone at all, this is the same guy that Henry pretty much begged to come back once before, I haven't heard one report that has mentioned this. Just because you give someone permission to leave, doesn't mean you absolutely want them to leave. I do think the Cubs are in good hands and the fan base deserves that.

[Mr.X]

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

Wasn't being critical of you, I just found it surprising that someone had something negative to report about Hendry's personality. From everything I've heard, he's a really easy guy to like (just not as a GM).

 

No worries, I met him and Riccardi and a few other people in 2007 at the Winter Meetings in Nashville.

[dew1679666265]

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again.

 

You must think very highly of the Cubs' farm system if you see a top 50 prospect who could be major league ready by next season as a mid-level prospect.

[dew1679666265]

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

Wasn't being critical of you, I just found it surprising that someone had something negative to report about Hendry's personality. From everything I've heard, he's a really easy guy to like (just not as a GM).

 

No worries, I met him and Riccardi and a few other people in 2007 at the Winter Meetings in Nashville.

 

That's pretty cool. Are GMs pretty accessible during the Winter Meetings?

[Mr.X]

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again.

 

You must think very highly of the Cubs' farm system if you see a top 50 prospect who could be major league ready by next season as a mid-level prospect.

 

You must think highly of the Cubs system if you consider him top 50. He had a step back, hes not top 50 until he proves something at the higher levels. Blisters are a concern, but I'm just not a fan...now that's me personally...my opinion is like all of yours it means nothing in the basis of these talks. It all depends on how these teams view the Cubs farm system.

[MSG T]

I'm not necessarily trying to discount the 6.5 million dollars, however JWH owns a racing team and liverpool, so it comes in this situation that I don't think 6.5 million is a huge loss. Especially since they've eaten more just to get rid of Renteria and Lugo. I think they would be fine, obviously though its better to gain 6.5 million then lose it, that's just good business, however if one or two of those players turn into 4 million dollar a year players then you make your profit back. That's just my opinion in the matter. I don't lie to get my point across and I try not to pull punches, I think both teams are in a rare situation in which no matter the outcome they could both win, or they could both lose. I personally don't think its lose lose for either side if this doesn't get done.

 

That is ridiculous and just about as bad as the PR job that the Sox have been trying to do throughout the process. It really appears to be a bi-polar organization. One moment they trash Theo, the next moment they love him, they can't wait to get rid of him, they would love for him to stay. The sad part is that almost all of the early leaks were from Sox and have really backed them into a corner at this point.

 

Theo clearly wants to leave, and management clearly wants him gone. Everything else is just fiction. I don't think any rational person believes that the Cubs will give up more than a few mid-level prospects to get him.

 

Also, I think Sox fans clearly overestimate the impact of this deal falling through. Most of the Theo to the Cubs hype is from the more than casual fan. If you don't believe me, read the stories all over Chicago about how surprised the beat writers are that fans are not as excited about Theo coming as they expected them to be. The biggest story this offseason for the Cubs, is that they actually have an owner that "gets it". No more old cliches, but an owner that sees the significance of numbers and statistics. Even if the Cubs don't get Theo, they are going to get a GM in the same mold and for that they will be much better off.

 

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again. I wouldn't say management clearly wants him gone at all, this is the same guy that Henry pretty much begged to come back once before, I haven't heard one report that has mentioned this. Just because you give someone permission to leave, doesn't mean you absolutely want them to leave. I do think the Cubs are in good hands and the fan base deserves that.

 

 

What is your definition of mid-level? According to the BA rankings, McNutt is the Cubs #2 prospect (with Archer being gone) and is #48 among all prospects. How is that mid-level? Wellington Castillo is mid-level, McNutt is top 50. It appears, again based on BA's rankings, that if McNutt didn't immediately jump in as your top prospect, he'd be easily in the top 3. That's not a mid-level prospect.

 

Now, that's not saying I'd be completely against giving him up. If the Red Sox were to let Theo bring some people with him, then McNutt would be fine compensation, though maybe a little high. But if we're talking Theo only, as I said earlier, McNutt is a good place to start negotiations, while expecting to settle for less than that.

[scarey]

 

I would disagree with this as both guys were pretty well thought of before a setback this year, McNutt had a similar set back this year as well. If he had progressed then I would absolutely be in agreement with you. Like I said I'm not hoping for the guy by any means, however McNutt would be proper compensation. I don't know how you can say that both guys are less valuable than McNutt after all 3 didn't really do that well this year. Kind of a bold statement, no?

 

McNutt was a top 50 prospect according to BA. The Marlins prospects didn't crack the top 100.

 

They were close to that, the issue I had was with the combined remark...never did I say McNutt wasn't more valuable than either one.

 

Even if they were number 101 and 102, the number 48 prospect in all of baseball is more valuable than both combined. That may be just my own personal opinion, but I have a feeling you share that opinion as well. There's something to be said about the fact that McNutt struggled this year, but I think most are able to overlook the up and down season due to the fact that he struggled with injuries. I know I am, and I know most major publications agree with me.

[MSG T]

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again.

 

You must think very highly of the Cubs' farm system if you see a top 50 prospect who could be major league ready by next season as a mid-level prospect.

 

You must think highly of the Cubs system if you consider him top 50. He had a step back, hes not top 50 until he proves something at the higher levels. Blisters are a concern, but I'm just not a fan...now that's me personally...my opinion is like all of yours it means nothing in the basis of these talks. It all depends on how these teams view the Cubs farm system.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611328.html

 

Might want to look at #48 on this list.

[ScrubMD]

No, you absolutely do not have to ask for Garza. It's ridiculous and the Sox know it. That's not playing hardball, it's being deliberately obtuse. That's not how professionals negotiate; it's how children negotiate.

 

I like this

 

I bet if you look at every single trade negotiation you'll see instances like this more often than not.

 

 

With crap like this and talking about how you've met GM's and whatnot...are you trying to pretend like you're some sort of insider? Please say yes.

[Mr.X]

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

Wasn't being critical of you, I just found it surprising that someone had something negative to report about Hendry's personality. From everything I've heard, he's a really easy guy to like (just not as a GM).

 

No worries, I met him and Riccardi and a few other people in 2007 at the Winter Meetings in Nashville.

 

That's pretty cool. Are GMs pretty accessible during the Winter Meetings?

 

Well I was coming off an internship where I was doing a lot of things and I was committed to getting a job in the industry. I had interviews with a few teams, but I was in a relationship in which at the time I couldn't leave Boston. I personally would have went anywhere and I wanted to get into player development, I talked with Steve Phillips about it for a few and he told me to head on down to scout school...never materialized though unfortunately. I'm still fairly young so who knows :) ... all I know is that this Theo debate and the last few weeks of the Sox sad sack season has gotten me back into things. Buster Olney and Peter Gammons are two of the nicest people I've ever met.

[Guest]

I'm still hung up on this: Even if I perform the same duties at a new company, but:

 

1) remove one layer between myself and ownership

2) get a bigger title

3) get a significant pay raise...

 

Then I've gotten a promotion.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Welcome to the board, Mr. X.

 

From what you know, is McNutt the only thing holding this up? Because if it is, I would personally bring him to Boston in a limo . The fact many posters here are against him being a part of the package to get Epstein is mind numbing. He is nothing more than a good prospect that might be a 3rd starter.

 

And I stress. MIGHT BE.

[Guest]

Not trying to slander, he could have had a bad day...we all do...so who knows? Riccardi was an absolute prick though

 

Wasn't being critical of you, I just found it surprising that someone had something negative to report about Hendry's personality. From everything I've heard, he's a really easy guy to like (just not as a GM).

 

No worries, I met him and Riccardi and a few other people in 2007 at the Winter Meetings in Nashville.

 

That's pretty cool. Are GMs pretty accessible during the Winter Meetings?

 

Well I was coming off an internship where I was doing a lot of things and I was committed to getting a job in the industry. I had interviews with a few teams, but I was in a relationship in which at the time I couldn't leave Boston. I personally would have went anywhere and I wanted to get into player development, I talked with Steve Phillips about it for a few and he told me to head on down to scout school...never materialized though unfortunately. I'm still fairly young so who knows :) ... all I know is that this Theo debate and the last few weeks of the Sox sad sack season has gotten me back into things. Buster Olney and Peter Gammons are two of the nicest people I've ever met.

You're fairly young, were trying to get into the lower levels of baseball...but you negotiate major contracts every day?

 

Can I ask what the heck you do?

[Mr.X]

I'm not necessarily trying to discount the 6.5 million dollars, however JWH owns a racing team and liverpool, so it comes in this situation that I don't think 6.5 million is a huge loss. Especially since they've eaten more just to get rid of Renteria and Lugo. I think they would be fine, obviously though its better to gain 6.5 million then lose it, that's just good business, however if one or two of those players turn into 4 million dollar a year players then you make your profit back. That's just my opinion in the matter. I don't lie to get my point across and I try not to pull punches, I think both teams are in a rare situation in which no matter the outcome they could both win, or they could both lose. I personally don't think its lose lose for either side if this doesn't get done.

 

That is ridiculous and just about as bad as the PR job that the Sox have been trying to do throughout the process. It really appears to be a bi-polar organization. One moment they trash Theo, the next moment they love him, they can't wait to get rid of him, they would love for him to stay. The sad part is that almost all of the early leaks were from Sox and have really backed them into a corner at this point.

 

Theo clearly wants to leave, and management clearly wants him gone. Everything else is just fiction. I don't think any rational person believes that the Cubs will give up more than a few mid-level prospects to get him.

 

Also, I think Sox fans clearly overestimate the impact of this deal falling through. Most of the Theo to the Cubs hype is from the more than casual fan. If you don't believe me, read the stories all over Chicago about how surprised the beat writers are that fans are not as excited about Theo coming as they expected them to be. The biggest story this offseason for the Cubs, is that they actually have an owner that "gets it". No more old cliches, but an owner that sees the significance of numbers and statistics. Even if the Cubs don't get Theo, they are going to get a GM in the same mold and for that they will be much better off.

 

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again. I wouldn't say management clearly wants him gone at all, this is the same guy that Henry pretty much begged to come back once before, I haven't heard one report that has mentioned this. Just because you give someone permission to leave, doesn't mean you absolutely want them to leave. I do think the Cubs are in good hands and the fan base deserves that.

 

 

What is your definition of mid-level? According to the BA rankings, McNutt is the Cubs #2 prospect (with Archer being gone) and is #48 among all prospects. How is that mid-level? Wellington Castillo is mid-level, McNutt is top 50. It appears, again based on BA's rankings, that if McNutt didn't immediately jump in as your top prospect, he'd be easily in the top 3. That's not a mid-level prospect.

 

Now, that's not saying I'd be completely against giving him up. If the Red Sox were to let Theo bring some people with him, then McNutt would be fine compensation, though maybe a little high. But if we're talking Theo only, as I said earlier, McNutt is a good place to start negotiations, while expecting to settle for less than that.

 

I believe those rankings aren't updated...if he is #48 at the beginning of 2012...I will personally come on here and agree with every single one of your posts from here on out! :hello: He was not in Archers class, and Hendry didn't do a good job in giving him up over Garza. Hes one of those prospects that everyone has different opinions on...I'm obviously low on him, and would be fine if the Sox ended up with Calderino and another prospect from the Dominican that has a high ceiling instead of McNutt.

[dew1679666265]

And McNutt is mid level...so we're back to square one again.

 

You must think very highly of the Cubs' farm system if you see a top 50 prospect who could be major league ready by next season as a mid-level prospect.

 

You must think highly of the Cubs system if you consider him top 50. He had a step back, hes not top 50 until he proves something at the higher levels. Blisters are a concern, but I'm just not a fan...now that's me personally...my opinion is like all of yours it means nothing in the basis of these talks. It all depends on how these teams view the Cubs farm system.

 

BA had him at 48 this year. I'm sure he'll drop out of the top 50 after struggling with injuries this year, but even if you amend my statement, it still holds true.

 

You must think highly of the Cubs' system if you consider a top 100 prospect who could be major league ready next year as a mid-level prospect. When I think of a mid-level prospect, I don't think of a guy who has a very good shot at making the majors in some capacity.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

You're fairly young, were trying to get into the lower levels of baseball...but you negotiate major contracts every day?

 

Can I ask what the heck you do?

 

From the name I'd guess he works in a nuclear power plant as a safety inspector in sector 7G.