Mr.X

you came onto a message board of fans who root for the organization who sent off Lou Brock to the st louis [expletive] cardinals wanting to talk trade about the negotiations for the best gm in the mlb and you thought you would avoid a debate? it didnt even occur differently to you? Why else would I come here? ...okay this is the last one...I'll pop in again good luck

If the Red Sox get anything more than a mediocre A-ball pitcher, they should be happy. Minor leaguers are valued way more now than they were valued in 1994. Agreed...I'm going to bed, I'll pop in again, thanks for having me tonight.

If the Red Sox get anything more than a mediocre A-ball pitcher, they should be happy. It will be more than a mediocre A-Ball pitcher...I think that has been established already.

4th and 8th in the Marlins system with a down year does not equal McNutt having a down year. All 3 had a down year last year. BA ranked McNutt #48, the 2 Marlins prospects didn't crack the top 100. What I said about valuing McNutt over both ex-Marlins prospects is not outlandish. Also, McNutt might have been a late round guy but the Twins nearly took him in the 8th round if they had been able to come to an agreement on his overslot bonus. This is true...I was going to write (this is my mistake too for being lazy but its almost 12:30 here) that making a projection on a player due to his draft slot is a terrible way to look at a prospect. I'm just not a fan of him, I won't be upset if he puts on the laundry but I think its still good compensation for Epstein. Why aren't you a fan of him? I mean the blister issues don't really scare me too much although with Beckett I've seen that it could be a pain in the ass too...I think also I'm weary of him because he hasn't pitched in the higher rungs yet, I could be dead wrong on the guy, the numbers declined last year but there is always a chance on a bounce back....I'll never root against anyone though.

Someone mentioned Thad Levine of the Rangers. Might be a name to keep an eye on. Ironically, that was the outcome of my original post

4th and 8th in the Marlins system with a down year does not equal McNutt having a down year. All 3 had a down year last year. BA ranked McNutt #48, the 2 Marlins prospects didn't crack the top 100. What I said about valuing McNutt over both ex-Marlins prospects is not outlandish. Also, McNutt might have been a late round guy but the Twins nearly took him in the 8th round if they had been able to come to an agreement on his overslot bonus. This is true...I was going to write (this is my mistake too for being lazy but its almost 12:30 here) that making a projection on a player due to his draft slot is a terrible way to look at a prospect. I'm just not a fan of him, I won't be upset if he puts on the laundry but I think its still good compensation for Epstein.

There have been no signs anywhere that the Red Sox are willing to make Theo a "co-CEO," likely because Lucchino doesn't want to cede any power. I'm just clearly throwing out there that if this falls through, they can give him a shiny new title and keep him. Its not a losing situation for either team. Just an option that is all. If they wanted to appease Theo with such a position they would have already. I doubt Lucchino would stand for it even if Henry wanted to promote him, which he's shown no sign of thus far. If Theo were amenable to staying and Henry really wanted to keep him badly enough to contrive a position, things wouldn't be at this point. The chances of Theo staying in Boston beyond this offseason aren't zero, but they're close. Honestly...I think hes just tired of Boston. Maybe some of these things don't really have to have a ton of rhyme or reason...but some people just want to move on and experience different places. If he wins in Chicago he goes into Cooperstown as quite possibly the quickest out of any GM in history.

That wouldn't be a bad package either...I think people are neglecting to read my original post, in which I stated my points. In that I also mentioned that I wasn't delusional enough to expect this team is getting an all-star for Epstein, at best case someone that sneaks into an all-star game or two. I'm not sitting here saying hey "lets screw the cubs for top prospects", I think I'm throwing out fair things personally, if it gets twisted then its all good. Either way its always fun to come to another fans board and see how someone else feels about the same issue.

I don't get your hypothetical about the Sox naming him Co-CEO. They clearly are not doing that on top of giving him more privileges and a boost in compensation. If that were the case, then I could understand the compensation more. You have a point in the fact that the Cubs new before they came to the table that there was compensation needed. Posters here merely asked why it was necessary. Arguing that it's necessary because the Cubs already knew before hand is avoiding the debate. Two things 1) I don't think I've avoided any debated tonight haha 2) You never know what type of spin will come out of this...no one thought there was any way in hell LL ceded Baseball Ops control to Theo before he made a stand and left. As for why LL is negotiating and Cherrington isn't? I believe they feel that Theo earned that clout...now LL can come back to a seat at the table with the Ops group...which scares me as a fan.

There have been no signs anywhere that the Red Sox are willing to make Theo a "co-CEO," likely because Lucchino doesn't want to cede any power. I'm just clearly throwing out there that if this falls through, they can give him a shiny new title and keep him. Its not a losing situation for either team. Just an option that is all.

He isn't, Lucchino however is now more on the business side...Theo takes care of baseball ops. If you put a food chain up...Lucchino is higher as JWH mentioned on an interview recently he runs the Sox. Now if Theo takes on a business role with the Cubs then that is absolutely 100% a promotion no matter how you shake it...but depending on who you ask he doesn't want anything to do with that. The Crawford signing was all Theo apparently...There has been talk that Crawford and A-Gon were acquired for ratings purposes however this is unsubstantiated. This "X takes care of this and Y is allowed to take care of that" doesn't hold water. Baseball is a business, and business is contingent on legality and print on paper. This isn't about how you or I or anyone else interpret his role, it is about how that role is defined in his contract. It's black and white. As I said on paper it is a promotion...the original point was why the Sox would ask for compensation if it was promotion...then it turned into "wow this guy doesn't know what a promotion is" which is kind of stupid. The Sox are asking for compensation because its in reality the same job to them. If you don't like the price then don't pay it

But... he doesn't have a checkpoint (IE: Lucchino). If I didn't have to have my manager's approval to order myself a $4000 desk and make my own hours, that would be a promotion. Sure, I'm still doing the same job, but having unrestricted access to certain privileges and abilities makes my job different. Better. It is a promotion. Once again not sure where the disconnect is going here...on paper its a promotion...but my contention was that the fact hes going to essentially be responsible for the same duties is the reason the Sox asked for compensation. Don't really know what the big deal is about that.

He isn't, Lucchino however is now more on the business side...Theo takes care of baseball ops. If you put a food chain up...Lucchino is higher as JWH mentioned on an interview recently he runs the Sox. Now if Theo takes on a business role with the Cubs then that is absolutely 100% a promotion no matter how you shake it...but depending on who you ask he doesn't want anything to do with that. The Crawford signing was all Theo apparently...There has been talk that Crawford and A-Gon were acquired for ratings purposes however this is unsubstantiated. If you remove a layer between ownership and yourself, get a higher title and get a raise, you have gotten a promotion no matter what semantic arguments you want to throw out there. On paper it is...but we're all fans, come on! We all know that this is a GM position...period. The layer would be removed, I agree...Larry doesn't meddle in the Baseball Ops department since 06 so again if you put up a business org chart then sure hes a rung up. But the fact he doesn't have much to do with Larry at all as far as I know means little. The money isn't an issue...as once again the Sox could make him Co-CEO tomorrow and nip this in the butt if they wanted to. Can't believe after 3 hours I still have to argue my main point, we go from McNutt to this...

1) He has that already...as I said Lucchino is on the business side now...this already happened back in 06 The rest of it is semantics, in the case of him being "Co CEO" he could appoint a general manager and be put into a Shapiro role and have Cherrington be his Chris Antonelli...I see where you're coming from, but Byrnes is not in place and as of right not that's only an assumption, until Theo gets hired Byrnes cannot get hired. Thus for now Theo could be whatever the hell he pleases but if he keeps the same duties then he is the GM still...no? Wow. No. Okay so where is the fault in this? Once again...hes going to be doing the same job and the Cubs knew compensation was involved prior...is it a promotion? sure...is it going to turn out hes doing the same job? yes...this is why compensation was requested on the front end. Unless he is doing the same job IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY it doesn't constitute having the same position. It's really pretty astounding that you can't/won't recognize that fact. I recognized that on paper its a promotion when did I say that on paper it is not a promotion? ...I figured that you would realize the fact that hes still going to be doing the same thing though. Hes still going to be the GM as well as whatever they want him to be...but this is why compensation was asked for ahead of time.

He isn't, Lucchino however is now more on the business side...Theo takes care of baseball ops. If you put a food chain up...Lucchino is higher as JWH mentioned on an interview recently he runs the Sox. Now if Theo takes on a business role with the Cubs then that is absolutely 100% a promotion no matter how you shake it...but depending on who you ask he doesn't want anything to do with that. The Crawford signing was all Theo apparently...There has been talk that Crawford and A-Gon were acquired for ratings purposes however this is unsubstantiated.