Cubs team sources: Likely Sandberg reconciliation

[Sammy Sofa]

That's especially not true when it comes to professional sports.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Despite the fact both Phillies and Cubs sources are saying a reconciliation is in the works? I have to say, I firmly believe Ryno is going to get the job. I could be wrong, but it looks that way.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If it is on the Internet it must be true

[Sammy Sofa]

Despite the fact both Phillies and Cubs sources are saying a reconciliation is in the works? I have to say, I firmly believe Ryno is going to get the job. I could be wrong, but it looks that way.

 

"Sources" always say a lot of things. If what anonymous "sources" said about transactions were true even half as often as you think they are most of these rumors would still be lies or inaccuracies or total speculation.

[Guest]

I don't think Wittenmyer even likes the Cubs. He's trolling the fanbase over the Sandberg thing, and he is the only person to even mention him in connection with the manager job in months. At least with Rogers rambling on about Epstein, there's some substantiation from guys like Olney and Sherman.

[Sammy Sofa]

And "reconciliation" can me a lot of things. I have no doubt the Cubs want to do it at some point, but probably more so that they can build him a statue and have him show up for events and maybe even end up in the radio or TV booth. Making him manager is probably pretty far down their list of reasons to make nice with him.

[Magnetic Curses]

And "reconciliation" can me a lot of things. I have no doubt the Cubs want to do it, but probably more so that they can build him a statue and have him show up for events and maybe even end up in the radio or TV booth. Making him manager is probably pretty far down their list of reasons to make nice with him.

 

ever hear ryno in the booth? he's like a dumber ron santo without the craziness or personality.

[Sammy Sofa]

And "reconciliation" can me a lot of things. I have no doubt the Cubs want to do it, but probably more so that they can build him a statue and have him show up for events and maybe even end up in the radio or TV booth. Making him manager is probably pretty far down their list of reasons to make nice with him.

 

ever hear ryno in the booth? he's like a dumber ron santo without the craziness or personality.

 

Hey, I'm not saying I WANT the guy in the booth. That just seems like a PR move that makes more sense than going out of their way to make him manager and forcing him on the new GM.

[17 Seconds]

Ryno coming back seems to be picking up steam. The article also mentions Epstein speculation.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7981592-419/double-play-for-cubs-clock-is-ticking-on-ryne-sandberg-theo-epstein.html

 

Why are you trying so hard to convince yourself that he's going to be the manager?

 

It's getting kind of weird at this point.

[dew1679666265]

Despite the fact both Phillies and Cubs sources are saying a reconciliation is in the works? I have to say, I firmly believe Ryno is going to get the job. I could be wrong, but it looks that way.

 

The overwhelming majority of national and local sources were saying that Hendry was going to be back next year ... even after Ricketts had informed Hendry that he would be fired. Even if the reports are that a reconciliation and managerial job is awaiting Ryno, that doesn't mean it's true by any stretch.

[Bote McBoteface]

I'm really tired of hearing about Sandberg. All we did was offer the job to the more qualified candidate. He's the one that threw a hissy fit and ran off to the Phillies despite us offering him his job back. He should be building statues of the Cubs in his backyard in hopes that we forgive him.

[Wilson A2000]

Ricketts would never hire Sandberg before hiring a GM would he? You don't become a billionaire by being stupid - I think.

[Guest]

I'm really tired of hearing about Sandberg. All we did was offer the job to the more qualified candidate. He's the one that threw a hissy fit and ran off to the Phillies despite us offering him his job back. He should be building statues of the Cubs in his backyard in hopes that we forgive him.

I like.

[questionmarkgrace]

And "reconciliation" can me a lot of things. I have no doubt the Cubs want to do it, but probably more so that they can build him a statue and have him show up for events and maybe even end up in the radio or TV booth. Making him manager is probably pretty far down their list of reasons to make nice with him.

 

ever hear ryno in the booth? he's like a dumber ron santo without the craziness or personality.

 

Hey, I'm not saying I WANT the guy in the booth. That just seems like a PR move that makes more sense than going out of their way to make him manager and forcing him on the new GM.

 

I think Ryno is widely regarded as a really solid managerial candidate virtually everywhere outside of this message board. Thus I dont think it would be a stretch that Theo, if he became gm, would be open to hiring him as well. Its not Like Francona had an exceptional record of greatness before he came to the redsox. In fact he was more well known for losing a lot of games with the phillies.

 

I think in many ways you guys have construed Ryno's message that teaching the kids to the "play the game the right way" some how equates to assinine situations where your 3 hitter is laying down a bunt when runners are in scoring position. I think that there is a big difference between teaching moments in the minors which he has been criticized for here, and how he may manage a game in majors. If anything, I appreciate what he did as a coach here because so many cubs players have somehow made it through our system without a lick of fundamentals only to fail miserably at the major league level.

[Guest]

And "reconciliation" can me a lot of things. I have no doubt the Cubs want to do it, but probably more so that they can build him a statue and have him show up for events and maybe even end up in the radio or TV booth. Making him manager is probably pretty far down their list of reasons to make nice with him.

 

ever hear ryno in the booth? he's like a dumber ron santo without the craziness or personality.

 

Hey, I'm not saying I WANT the guy in the booth. That just seems like a PR move that makes more sense than going out of their way to make him manager and forcing him on the new GM.

 

I think Ryno is widely regarded as a really solid managerial candidate virtually everywhere outside of this message board. Thus I dont think it would be a stretch that Theo, if he became gm, would be open to hiring him as well. Its not Like Francona had an exceptional record of greatness before he came to the redsox. In fact he was more well known for losing a lot of games with the phillies.

 

I think in many ways you guys have construed Ryno's message that teaching the kids to the "play the game the right way" some how equates to assinine situations where your 3 hitter is laying down a bunt when runners are in scoring position. I think that there is a big difference between teaching moments in the minors which he has been criticized for here, and how he may manage a game in majors. If anything, I appreciate what he did as a coach here because so many cubs players have somehow made it through our system without a lick of fundamentals only to fail miserably at the major league level.

 

 

Didn't Sandberg actually do this, though?

[Guest]

On multiple occasions.

[kylescubs23]

Yes, he did. But how often is a 3-hitter in a AA game going to immediately be a 3-hitter in the big leagues? Granted if Aramis is bunting after a leadoff single or double I could understand going throught the roof, but when Brandon Guyer bunts to get a runner over I don't have a huge issue with it. I don't think its a bad idea for guys to learn to bunt in game situations, especially when they may be called on to do so in a big league game.

[Guest]

On multiple occasions.

He was also quite good at aggressively stupid base running. In the minors the third base coach is also the manager. I don't know how many times I saw him waving guys around only to have them thrown out.

 

Speaking of thrown out, he was good at getting himself thrown out too.

 

The thing about Francona was that he was open to learning new things and openly embraced empirical analysis of baseball. That's why he and Theo got along so well. I don't see Ryno doing that.

 

I also don't think he's that highly regarded outside of this message board. If he was he'd already be up coaching or managing.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes, he did. But how often is a 3-hitter in a AA game going to immediately be a 3-hitter in the big leagues? Granted if Aramis is bunting after a leadoff single or double I could understand going throught the roof, but when Brandon Guyer bunts to get a runner over I don't have a huge issue with it. I don't think its a bad idea for guys to learn to bunt in game situations, especially when they may be called on to do so in a big league game.

Yeah, that West Tennessee lineup wasn't particularly good. I don't want Sandberg to be the manager, but I doubt it would be the worst thing in the world as some have made it out to be. Manager is easily the most worthless head coaching position in professional sports, so as long as he doesn't (a) abuse the starters and (b) overmanage because of his ego (like Ozzie Guillen), the team results will be largely determined by the talent on the field. People tend to draw on his minor league track record, but it's hard to equate managing in the minors with managing in the majors. The minors is much more development-oriented, and certain things are likely dictated by upper management.

[jersey cubs fan]

If anything, I appreciate what he did as a coach here because so many cubs players have somehow made it through our system without a lick of fundamentals only to fail miserably at the major league level.

 

Well then doesn't that speak extremely poorly about his ability to teach those kids the fundamentals?

[Guest]

Yes, he did. But how often is a 3-hitter in a AA game going to immediately be a 3-hitter in the big leagues? Granted if Aramis is bunting after a leadoff single or double I could understand going throught the roof, but when Brandon Guyer bunts to get a runner over I don't have a huge issue with it. I don't think its a bad idea for guys to learn to bunt in game situations, especially when they may be called on to do so in a big league game.

Yeah, that West Tennessee lineup wasn't particularly good. I don't want Sandberg to be the manager, but I doubt it would be the worst thing in the world as some have made it out to be. Manager is easily the most worthless head coaching position in professional sports, so as long as he doesn't (a) abuse the starters and (b) overmanage because of his ego (like Ozzie Guillen), the team results will be largely determined by the talent on the field. People tend to draw on his minor league track record, but it's hard to equate managing in the minors with managing in the majors. The minors is much more development-oriented, and certain things are likely dictated by upper management.

On what credentials would you base your decision on his capability to manage a major league team?

 

IMO, Sandberg has exhibited quality b in spades in the minors, and also exhibited a quality you didn't mention, © running into/giving up outs. The major thing that he has going for him are his team's W-L record, which you attribute to talent.

 

I'm not sure what worse thing in the world means, but even if he's not, he has nothing going for him except he was/is a baseball hero in Chicago. I would prefer he still be a hero. I still love the player that Sandberg was.

[dew1679666265]

The major thing that he has going for him are his team's W-L record, which you attribute to talent.

 

And even then, he's not exactly been stellar in W/L record either.

[Brett]

I'm really tired of hearing about Sandberg. All we did was offer the job to the more qualified candidate. He's the one that threw a hissy fit and ran off to the Phillies despite us offering him his job back. He should be building statues of the Cubs in his backyard in hopes that we forgive him.

I like.

 

I'm not saying I want Sandberg, but he recently said that the Cubs didn't offer him his Iowa job back.

 

"There was no other job offering [from the Cubs for 2011] other than, ‘We’d like you to come to spring training, hit a couple of fungoes and walk around’,” Sandberg said. “At that point, I knew it was time to move on."

 

Forgive me linking to my own site, but I knew I could find the quote there easily.

 

Does that change anyone's opinion with respect to how Sandberg left? It changed mine.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm really tired of hearing about Sandberg. All we did was offer the job to the more qualified candidate. He's the one that threw a hissy fit and ran off to the Phillies despite us offering him his job back. He should be building statues of the Cubs in his backyard in hopes that we forgive him.

I like.

 

I'm not saying I want Sandberg, but he recently said that the Cubs didn't offer him his Iowa job back.

 

"There was no other job offering [from the Cubs for 2011] other than, ‘We’d like you to come to spring training, hit a couple of fungoes and walk around’,” Sandberg said. “At that point, I knew it was time to move on."

 

Forgive me linking to my own site, but I knew I could find the quote there easily.

 

Does that change anyone's opinion with respect to how Sandberg left? It changed mine.

 

No, because Sandberg made it very clear before the decision was made that he had no interest in returning as a AAA manager, and he had no interest in being a coach other than major league manager. It comes down to the notion that he felt they owed him the job.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes, he did. But how often is a 3-hitter in a AA game going to immediately be a 3-hitter in the big leagues? Granted if Aramis is bunting after a leadoff single or double I could understand going throught the roof, but when Brandon Guyer bunts to get a runner over I don't have a huge issue with it. I don't think its a bad idea for guys to learn to bunt in game situations, especially when they may be called on to do so in a big league game.

Yeah, that West Tennessee lineup wasn't particularly good. I don't want Sandberg to be the manager, but I doubt it would be the worst thing in the world as some have made it out to be. Manager is easily the most worthless head coaching position in professional sports, so as long as he doesn't (a) abuse the starters and (b) overmanage because of his ego (like Ozzie Guillen), the team results will be largely determined by the talent on the field. People tend to draw on his minor league track record, but it's hard to equate managing in the minors with managing in the majors. The minors is much more development-oriented, and certain things are likely dictated by upper management.

On what credentials would you base your decision on his capability to manage a major league team?

 

IMO, Sandberg has exhibited quality b in spades in the minors, and also exhibited a quality you didn't mention, © running into/giving up outs. The major thing that he has going for him are his team's W-L record, which you attribute to talent.

 

I'm not sure what worse thing in the world means, but even if he's not, he has nothing going for him except he was/is a baseball hero in Chicago. I would prefer he still be a hero. I still love the player that Sandberg was.

Has he really exhibited a large ego and tendency to overmanage, or are people simply disillusioned by a Yahoo article and his Hall of Fame speech? I could be wrong, but I thought someone posted his team's stats, and his teams were generally in the middle of the pack in sacrifice bunts. Could be wrong though.

 

In terms of credentials, I think it will vary by GM. Ultimately, the manager should reflect the GM's philosophy and be willing to manage in a way that will bring out his player's strengths, because players will always be more important than managers. One of Hendry's biggest flaws was that he did the opposite: He tried to build a team based on his manager's desires. If Theo Epstein or Andrew Friedman interviewed Sandberg and discussed philosophies, and in the end decided he could implement the organization's philosophies, then I'd be fine with him as manager, although I think any manager should coach in the majors first. If Ned Colletti thought he was the right man for the job, I'd be concerned (although we'd already be doomed). And I think you're selling Sandberg a bit short. He's now managed for several organizations, and has been mentioned as a possible candidate for both the Red Sox and White Sox this offseason, as well as a possible successor to Charlie Manuel in Philadelphia.