Cubs team sources: Likely Sandberg reconciliation

[mul21]

I think managers do make a difference. That said, I think they have little impact making wins happen outside of managing the pitching (if the talent is there it's there), but I do think they can make a team lose too many games with over-managing. Sandberg sounds way too hands on in that regard.

 

How many losses is too many (obviously you don't want any)? I have a hard time imagining over managing costing a team too many wins either. I would imagine that a bad manager probably messes up 2-3 situations a game (I made this up off the top of my head, no idea if it's even correct or not) and even when they mess up it doesn't always hurt him. I can't imagine those would cost a team games that often.

 

Too me, I just want a manager who is playing the best players as much as possible (factoring in rest and what not) and managing a pitching staff the best he can. And then not having him screw up with player relations to the point that a good player demands a trade and won't play and what not. Even then though, the best players thing is controlled more by GM than on field manager.

 

He's talking about a manager doing stupid crap like LaRussa did last Thursday when he brought in Motte after he had thrown 25+ pitches the night before and had been used like 3 of the last 4 nights and 12 times in 20 games when the Cards had a 4 run lead and you didn't need your closer at that point. That's a loss on the manager.

 

Or Quade leaving Wells in for the 8th inning this weekend. Things that you almost know from the get go are a bad idea and the manager does them anyway.

[biittner77]

what if they hired Sandberg as GM and he hired Grace as Manager? Wouldn't that be great PR?

 

It worked so well when they brought back Jim Frey and Don Zimmer.

[SouthSideRyan]

Not to throw this off target but what about Dave Martinez (while on the subject of former cubs)? Him being the shadow of Joe down in TB merits looking into him more than Sandberg.

 

Hiring him would send a strong message to Sandberg he's not welcome.

[SouthSideRyan]

So what? You seem to thing after one year they want him gone, which is a joke after what he did with that bunch. He has also been linked to the big league job once Charlie retires, but Charlie is staying on a few more years now.

 

I hope they don't want him gone. I hope they want to keep him away from Chicago. I hope Ricketts isn't dumb enough to push for Sandberg and the new GM is smart enough to find the much better candidates for the job.

 

Ok, so let me get this straight. So you say you hope a hall of fame baseball guy and an organization that has been a beast in the NL wants him enough to stay with them, which to me is a ringing endorsement of Sandberg but he is not good enough to manage the Cubs?

 

Ok.

 

I hope the Phillies want to hang on to Ryan Howard rather than give him to the Cubs.

 

Ok!

[SouthSideRyan]

Not to throw this off target but what about Dave Martinez (while on the subject of former cubs)? Him being the shadow of Joe down in TB merits looking into him more than Sandberg.

 

Hiring him would send a strong message to Sandberg he's not welcome.

 

I couldn't have been later on this joke if I tried.

[treebird]

Not to throw this off target but what about Dave Martinez (while on the subject of former cubs)? Him being the shadow of Joe down in TB merits looking into him more than Sandberg.

 

Hiring him would send a strong message to Sandberg he's not welcome.

 

I couldn't have been later on this joke if I tried.

 

post it again in a week and let's see if you're right

[SouthSideRyan]

Go step on a landmine.

[jersey cubs fan]

ok

[bukie]

Go step on a landmine.

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

[Elrhino]

I don't see how this can't be fixed by just giving Sandberg some meaningless, symbolic position on the next coaching staff, like first base coach. Sandberg gets his ego fed, the fans get to cheer for him as he walks the field, and I can't imagine it being a huge sticking point for some potential manager (assuming managers make much difference), unless it's some Piniella type of huge ego manager who takes himself too seriously.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't see how this can't be fixed by just giving Sandberg some meaningless, symbolic position on the next coaching staff, like first base coach. Sandberg gets his ego fed, the fans get to cheer for him as he walks the field, and I can't imagine it being a huge sticking point for some potential manager (assuming managers make much difference).

 

Sandberg isn't going to be satisfied with a job like that. He feels like he deserves to be a manager somewhere. He might agree to be a bench coach in the right situation if he felt like it would lead to him getting a managerial job, but I doubt he would take any lesser job than that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see how this can't be fixed by just giving Sandberg some meaningless, symbolic position on the next coaching staff, like first base coach. Sandberg gets his ego fed, the fans get to cheer for him as he walks the field, and I can't imagine it being a huge sticking point for some potential manager (assuming managers make much difference).

 

Sandberg isn't going to be satisfied with a job like that. He feels like he deserves to be a manager somewhere. He might agree to be a bench coach in the right situation if he felt like it would lead to him getting a managerial job, but I doubt he would take any lesser job than that.

 

Yeah, he made it quite clear he had no interest in a non-managerial coaching position, and even still, having the people's choice in the dugout all year isn't going to be comfortable for most managers.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't see how this can't be fixed by just giving Sandberg some meaningless, symbolic position on the next coaching staff, like first base coach. Sandberg gets his ego fed, the fans get to cheer for him as he walks the field, and I can't imagine it being a huge sticking point for some potential manager (assuming managers make much difference), unless it's some Piniella type of huge ego manager who takes himself too seriously.

 

There's zero chance that works. At this point if he's in the organization fans and the media in Chicago are going to be clamoring for him as soon as things go wrong with the next coaching/managing staff. No manager or GM is going to want to give themselves that headache. The only way he ends up back with the Cubs is if he gets the management job.

[minnesotacubsfan]

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I've bookmarked this, thank you sir.

[17 Seconds]

man this hollandsworth guy is the pits

[Magnetic Curses]

That seemed too obvious. But really what you're saying is that a manager does not make a difference. If that's the case, why not Sandberg?

 

good managers don't make a difference, bad managers ruin seasons.

[jiml60]

Not to throw this off target but what about Dave Martinez (while on the subject of former cubs)? Him being the shadow of Joe down in TB merits looking into him more than Sandberg.

 

I always really liked Martinez. No idea what type of coach he is, but I don't think that's a horrible idea. It would be funny to see the Ryno sycophants go nuts after a different ex-cub gets the gig.

 

One that loves blondes in corn cob dresses.

I was going to say, one way to make sure Sandberg wouldn't come back to the Cubs would be to hire Dave Martinez.

 

Imagine if the white sox hired Martinez and the Cubs hired Sandberg - how much fun would that be to see those two exchanging line-up cards during the Crosstown Classic?

[biittner77]

What happened between Sandberg's ex wife and all of his ex teammates, happened over 20 years ago. At this point, wouldn't he have more animosity toward his ex wife than his ex teammates?

[Guest]

What happened between Sandberg's ex wife and all of his ex teammates, happened over 20 years ago. At this point, wouldn't he have more animosity toward his ex wife than his ex teammates?

 

I don't see why.

 

It's one thing when your wife/gf cheats on you with some random dude who may or may not have even known you existed. When that happens, it's pretty stupid to direct anger at anyone but your SO.

 

 

It's quite another when your wife/gf cheats on you with a friend/coworker (teammate in this case) or even an acquaintance. In that case, I'd be pretty pissed at both parties. That's one grudge I'd hold for a very, very long time.

[biittner77]

20 years is a long time to hold a grudge, especially regarding a woman that he has since divorced and then got married to someone else. I'm not saying that he and Martinez etal will be going on fishing trips but I can't see them getting into any serious conflict over this.

 

If Martinez had been the only one, I could see your point. Considering there were so many others involved it seems like he might blame his ex wife more. That's the real betrayal. Cheating on him with teammates was worse than with strangers but most of the blame still falls on his wife.

[jersey cubs fan]

20 years is a long time to hold a grudge, especially regarding a woman that he has since divorced and then got married to someone else. I'm not saying that he and Martinez etal will be going on fishing trips but I can't see them getting into any serious conflict over this.

 

If Martinez had been the only one, I could see your point. Considering there were so many others involved it seems like he might blame his ex wife more. That's the real betrayal. Cheating on him with teammates was worse than with strangers but most of the blame still falls on his wife.

 

It's not a grudge against a guy who stole your sandwich out of the fridge. It's a grudge about banging his wife. The fact that it is now an ex is probably meaningless if the guy had sex with his wife while they were married.

[Magnetic Curses]

20 years is a long time to hold a grudge, especially regarding a woman that he has since divorced and then got married to someone else.

 

and then divorced again!

[Hollandsworths mug]

Ryno coming back seems to be picking up steam. The article also mentions Epstein speculation.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7981592-419/double-play-for-cubs-clock-is-ticking-on-ryne-sandberg-theo-epstein.html

 

"Sources both in Chicago and Philadelphia say Cubs ownership wants to reconcile with their estranged Hall of Famer, one disastrous Cubs year since Sandberg lost out on the team’s managerial job to Mike Quade and left the organization to manage the Phillies’ Class AAA team".

 

‘‘I don’t know what else he could do,’’ said Pat Gillick, senior advisor to the Phillies’ president and GM, and a Hall of Fame general manager. ‘‘I think he had a fairly successful run over with Chicago and he did a great job with us here. And he’s had playing skills. So if anybody else wanted something on his resume, it would be maybe that he was a major league coach. Myself, I don’t think he needs to take that stuff. I think he’d make somebody a fine manager.’’

Edited October 2, 2011 by Hollandsworth's mug

[Sammy Sofa]

Ryno coming back seams to be picking up steam.

 

No. The Ricketts are morons if they manage to snag someone like Epstein to be the GM and then effectively force him to hire Sandberg to manage to placate the meatballs.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Well, where there's smoke, there's usually fire.