Re: Darvish

[jersey cubs fan]

A parent company dictating the assets it wishes to acquire to make their product better is perfectly rational.

 

Nothing irrational about the parent company dictating what assets it wants, but it's very irrational for the parent company to tell them to pay whatever it takes.

 

I'm sure they meant it literally

 

I'm sure it was just a BS line.

[Clem Fandango]

Basically more info regarding that NY Post article...

 

Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio on Sirius XM reports that there are "multiple sources corroborating" a New York Post report that the Blue Jays have won negotiating right for Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish.

The Blue Jays and Rangers were viewed as the favorites for the right-hander, and it appears that the Jays have come out on top. If so, they would then be given an exclusive 30-day negotiating window to agree on a contract. Between the posting fee and the contract for Darvish, the 25-year-old could net a contract in excess of $100 million.

[treebird]

Between the posting fee and the contract for Darvish, the 25-year-old could net a contract in excess of $100 million.

 

that's a pretty terrible way to describe what's going to happen

[jersey cubs fan]

Between the posting fee and the contract for Darvish, the 25-year-old could net a contract in excess of $100 million.

 

that's a pretty terrible way to describe what's going to happen

 

Yeah, how hard is it to say the team that signs him could spend in excess of $100m?

[Guest]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

[Guest]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

 

Unless the people who do know have already given indications.

[Guest]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

What if the leak is from the MLB offices?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

What if the leak is from the MLB offices?

 

SHUT UP SHUT UP I HATE YOU

[Guest]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

What if the leak is from the MLB offices?

 

It could be but I just highly doubt it is.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm starting to resign myself to us missing on all the top names this offseason.

 

If the Cubs are keeping their bid amount locked down, there's no amount of trading numbers that could lead to others knowing if we outbid the Blue Jays or not.

What if the leak is from the MLB offices?

 

It could be but I just highly doubt it is.

 

I get having doubt, but "highly"? Several leaks have apparently originated in league offices.

[davell]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

[jersey cubs fan]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

[Abe Frohman]

Even though nothing is official, if the Cubs don't get Fielder, and/or Darvish, Cespedes, or some creative/impact trade - it's going to be very hard to get excited about watching this team.

 

I have faith that the new FO is going to put something solid together, but damn - it's time to get excited about something other than DeJesus' wife.

[Guest]

If, and to me, it's a very big IF, we miss out on Darvish and Prince, we have 2 options as far as I'm concerned: Piece together a possible division winner by adding guys like Beltran, Kuroda, and Edwin Jackson, trading for the best 1B we can OR we can trade Garza, Marmol, Soto, and Marshall for young talent and sign Soler and as much else that's left from the IFA as humanly possible. What I don't want to happen is us adding Carlos Pena on a 2 or 3 year deal, signing Joe Saunders and maybe Jeff Francis to the rotation and call it an offseason. Because that puts us squarely right back in the 70 win area again most likely.

 

If we don't go big then I want a fire sale.

Pretty much.

 

If we went the firesale route and got some exciting young talent in return, I could still have fun following the team even if we only win 65 games.

 

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

[jersey cubs fan]

If keep what we have, don't add any big names (MLB or MILB) and only add a few low priced vets...I'll lose a lot of faith in the direction of the front office.

 

I wouldn't lose faith in the direction of the front office as much as I would just be incredibly disappointed and bored with the Oakland A's playing at Wrigley Field next year.

[Conky]

Are people really ok with the 10 years Boras seems to think Fielder is owed now? 6 sure. 10 no thanks. I'd be happy with Cespedas/ fire sale, but it is looking like the Yankees/ Marlins will out-bid everyone for him. Might be some gems in IFA, but the new rules will make it hard to grab more than 1 (and that's if you hit on your selection).

 

Further quick-fix options are extremely limited. This team was horribly broken. It will take some time to undo the damage done by Hendry/ Tribco. People expecting a turnaround to contender in one off season were/ are highly optimistic in my opinion.

[jersey cubs fan]

Are people really ok with the 10 years Boras seems to think Fielder is owed now?

 

no

[Irrelevant Dude]

Are people really ok with the 10 years Boras seems to think Fielder is owed now?

Only Jim Hendry is ok with that.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Are people really ok with the 10 years Boras seems to think Fielder is owed now?

 

no

 

And I doubt that any of the other 29 teams are either.

[Guest]

He's not getting 10 years and you can quote me on that.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's not getting 10 years and you can quote me on that.

that

[davell]

Are people really ok with the 10 years Boras seems to think Fielder is owed now? 6 sure. 10 no thanks. I'd be happy with Cespedas/ fire sale, but it is looking like the Yankees/ Marlins will out-bid everyone for him. Might be some gems in IFA, but the new rules will make it hard to grab more than 1 (and that's if you hit on your selection).

 

Further quick-fix options are extremely limited. This team was horribly broken. It will take some time to undo the damage done by Hendry/ Tribco. People expecting a turnaround to contender in one off season were/ are highly optimistic in my opinion.

 

Until July 2nd of next year, a team can still go crazt and spend whatever they want to spend on IFA.

[davell]

If our entire baseball budget is 200 mill, but employee salaries and minor league operations come from that number, as has been mentioned by Levine, let's figure we've got 150 mill to spend between the major league team and player development. Player development us only going to be around 11 mill or so, at this point, with the new CBA. So, it leaves us around 139-140 mill, let's just say 140.

 

Our payroll right now is around 111 mill, including entire 40 man rosterees, buyouts, deferments, arb guesses, and figuring Wood to be back. Leaves us 30 mill to spend basically.

 

If we get Darvish, AZPhil said his posting fee will go towards player development and used as such for the next few years. So, if his fee is 50 mill, my guess is we'd count it as 10 for each of the next 5 years. My honest guess, is there's no chance we get both him and Prince, unless we do wind up trading Marmol and/or Byrd. Maybe Soriano and Zambrano could save us some cash as well, but probably not enough to warrant them not being around and taking up a spot here. Some extremely heavy backloading is a possibility too, I suppose, since we've got so much cash coming off again next year.

 

So, if we've got 30 mill to spend and we miss on Prince and Darvish, how should we spend it? Soler is going to get a major league deal, so 20ish mill over a 5 year period is nothing much and should be a very high priority(4 mill per year). Let's say we find a way to spend 10 mill more on IFA this offseason as well. Or at least leave it as overage penalty money we'll wind up spending during the draft or signing day.

 

We'd have 15 mill to finalize the major league roster, without making any trades at all that save money. The funny thing is this though: There's talent out there that can be had through trade to where even that small amount of cash could turn this team into a contender within the division at least. Whether it's trading for a Gio or whoever else we can get and trading for a Morales, Smoak, whoever at 1B. Then spend on an Edwin Jackson or a Cespedes and hope for the best. I'm not saying it's a division winner, but if things fell right, it certainly could be. And you'd have revamped the system somewhat, considering you probably gave up quite a bit of our top end for the 2 trades.

 

It's not my ideal situation, but it's something that could happen, I suppose. Adding a Gio Gonzalez, Kendry Morales, and Yoenis Cespedes to this weak ass division could get us into the playoffs. To me, there's a bunch of different ways to look at it. But, I'll say this; I don't see Theo punting on 2012. We're not going to firesale, even though I too, wouldn't mind seeing it.

[Guest]

How would Arizona Phil have any idea how the team would treat the posting fee?