Re: Darvish

[SouthSideRyan]

There's no way the Cubs will eat 80% of Z's contract. It was Gammons who said it, and I don't think he really has a clue what's going on.

 

Not just in baseball

[jersey cubs fan]

I just think there are lots of pitchers out there like Z at this point

 

Oh come on. "A lot"? Everybody in baseball continues to say how little pitching there is out there. Guys are getting paid millions just for the ability to not be horrible.

 

 

If anything, I think the rest of baseball might be scared off by the Cubs drama queen way of handling him, instead of the proper Theo way of "shut the hell up about your internal issues". The Cubs have routinely talked down their "cancers" while in the process of giving them away, and that's what people are hoping to happen again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Erik Bedard got 1/$4.5.

 

 

Zambrano at 1/$3.6 would cause Hoyer to exceed the monthly texting limit on his cell phone plan* because of all the other GMs just spamming him with "Yes!" messages.

 

 

 

* - He has a cell phone with a text plan because he seems to still think he's in SD and has to be frugal.

[Guest]

I posted it in the Venezuelan Winter League thread, but since we're on the subject here, Z pitched last night....

 

Carlos Zambrano, making his first start since taking a line drive off his face, threw four shutout innings Wednesday night for Caribes de Anzoategui. Zambrano, who was injured Nov. 18 and needed 16 stitches, walked one and struck out one in a Venezuelan Winter League game against Tigres de Aragua. He faced 13 batters, and got eight groundouts.

[bukie]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

[Guest]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

 

For a while, Zambrano was like Luol Deng....forever 26.

[CubColtPacer]

I just think there are lots of pitchers out there like Z at this point

 

Oh come on. "A lot"? Everybody in baseball continues to say how little pitching there is out there. Guys are getting paid millions just for the ability to not be horrible.

 

 

If anything, I think the rest of baseball might be scared off by the Cubs drama queen way of handling him, instead of the proper Theo way of "shut the hell up about your internal issues". The Cubs have routinely talked down their "cancers" while in the process of giving them away, and that's what people are hoping to happen again.

 

Well, I am a little more down that Z on most. I think his arm is mostly fried at this point. His peripherals and how hittable he was last year scare me. I still remember the comments from the 2010 trade deadline how opposing teams were quoted (off the record) that they felt he was no more than a 5th starter at that point which confused many of us at the time. And I don't think MLB teams value a pitcher's contribution at the plate like they should, which is the main thing that Z offers at this point besides possibly being an innings eater. He can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but his upside is just about gone.

 

As Kyle mentioned, if other teams think Z is a bargain at this point but are waiting to see if the Cubs go down further than they're crazy. If a team values Z at 7-10 million and he's being offered to them at 3.6, are they really going to wait to see if his price comes down to 2.5 and risk someone else taking him? Unless they somehow know that every other team in the league doesn't like him, that doesn't seem to be a very smart strategy.

[jersey cubs fan]

And I don't think MLB teams value a pitcher's contribution at the plate like they should, which is the main thing that Z offers at this point besides possibly being an innings eater. He can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but his upside is just about gone.

 

If you think he can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but without a lot of upside, then you are refuting your insinuation that there is a surplus of pitchers like Zambrano.

[Lefty]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

 

I don't believe his birthdate any more than I believe Aramis Ramirez'.

[Guest]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

 

I don't believe his birthdate any more than I believe Aramis Ramirez'.

 

Why on earth wouldn't you believe Aramis's?

[SouthSideRyan]

Zambrano in 2010 after he was "no more than a 5th starter:"

 

11 starts

70.1 IP

1.41 ERA

Opponent's slash line: .183/.304/.221 (A line he outperformed at the plate going .241/.290/.345)

[ctcf]

According to Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News, the "buzz" is that the Blue Jays made a "whopper of an offer" for Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish.

No word on a specific number, but Grant speculates that there are "many reasons" for them to bid more than $50 million. He also believes that the Rangers submitted a bid, likely somewhere in the range of $40-50 million. The Cubs and Yankees have also reportedly placed bids on the highly-touted right-handed. We should learn the identity of the winning team within in the next few days. Assuming the bid is accepted, they will then have 30 days to work out a contract.

 

Per rotoworld. Good lord.

[SouthSideRyan]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

 

I don't believe his birthdate any more than I believe Aramis Ramirez'.

 

Why on earth wouldn't you believe Aramis's?

 

Mexicans be lyin

[bukie]

It seems so weird to me that Zambrano is 6 months younger than CJ Wilson.

 

I don't believe his birthdate any more than I believe Aramis Ramirez'.

 

Why on earth wouldn't you believe Aramis's?

I don't believe his birthdate any more than I believe my own.

[davell]

Stolen from a PSD guy.....

 

Dempster: Coach, who's pitching tomorrow?

 

Sveum: Yu

 

Dempster: But, I jus threw yesterday

 

Sveum: No, not you, Yu! Yu should already know that by now

 

Dempster: Why should I know that?

 

Sveum: You shouldn't know that. Yu should know that!

 

Dempster: Who, me?

 

Sveum: No, not you. Yu!

[CubColtPacer]

And I don't think MLB teams value a pitcher's contribution at the plate like they should, which is the main thing that Z offers at this point besides possibly being an innings eater. He can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but his upside is just about gone.

 

If you think he can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but without a lot of upside, then you are refuting your insinuation that there is a surplus of pitchers like Zambrano.

 

Maybe overstated it a little, but pitchers with where I think Z's ability level is at this point sign 1 year deals all the time. There are options out there for teams.

[CubColtPacer]

Zambrano in 2010 after he was "no more than a 5th starter:"

 

11 starts

70.1 IP

1.41 ERA

Opponent's slash line: .183/.304/.221 (A line he outperformed at the plate going .241/.290/.345)

 

Agreed, but I threw that in there to say-if that's what other teams were thinking back in 2010 when they had very little reason to, what are they thinking after his 2011 where he has warning signs popping up in a lot of his numbers?

[Tracer Bullet]

Stolen from a PSD guy.....

 

Dempster: Coach, who's pitching tomorrow?

 

Sveum: Yu

 

Dempster: But, I jus threw yesterday

 

Sveum: No, not you, Yu! Yu should already know that by now

 

Dempster: Why should I know that?

 

Sveum: You shouldn't know that. Yu should know that!

 

Dempster: Who, me?

 

Sveum: No, not you. Yu!

 

I no longer want the cubs to sign him.

[jersey cubs fan]

And I don't think MLB teams value a pitcher's contribution at the plate like they should, which is the main thing that Z offers at this point besides possibly being an innings eater. He can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but his upside is just about gone.

 

If you think he can probably pitch several more years in baseball and be decent, but without a lot of upside, then you are refuting your insinuation that there is a surplus of pitchers like Zambrano.

 

Maybe overstated it a little, but pitchers with where I think Z's ability level is at this point sign 1 year deals all the time. There are options out there for teams.

 

They also sign 2 and 3 year deals all the time.

 

He's only got 1 more year left anyway.

Edited December 15, 2011 by jersey cubs fan

[UMFan83]

Stolen from a PSD guy.....

 

Dempster: Coach, who's pitching tomorrow?

 

Sveum: Yu

 

Dempster: But, I jus threw yesterday

 

Sveum: No, not you, Yu! Yu should already know that by now

 

Dempster: Why should I know that?

 

Sveum: You shouldn't know that. Yu should know that!

 

Dempster: Who, me?

 

Sveum: No, not you. Yu!

 

Why doesn't Demp just go to the NSBB game thread to figure out who is pitching?

[Banedon]

Stolen from a PSD guy.....

 

Dempster: Coach, who's pitching tomorrow?

 

Sveum: Yu

 

Dempster: But, I jus threw yesterday

 

Sveum: No, not you, Yu! Yu should already know that by now

 

Dempster: Why should I know that?

 

Sveum: You shouldn't know that. Yu should know that!

 

Dempster: Who, me?

 

Sveum: No, not you. Yu!

 

I no longer want the cubs to sign him.

 

The jokes about his name would be Dar-vicious.

[davell]

If he sucks, his name takes care of all anyone needs to say.

[SouthSideRyan]

Stolen from a PSD guy.....

 

Dempster: Coach, who's pitching tomorrow?

 

Sveum: Yu

 

Dempster: But, I jus threw yesterday

 

Sveum: No, not you, Yu! Yu should already know that by now

 

Dempster: Why should I know that?

 

Sveum: You shouldn't know that. Yu should know that!

 

Dempster: Who, me?

 

Sveum: No, not you. Yu!

 

Maybe he should call him Darvish.

[SouthSideRyan]

Zambrano in 2010 after he was "no more than a 5th starter:"

 

11 starts

70.1 IP

1.41 ERA

Opponent's slash line: .183/.304/.221 (A line he outperformed at the plate going .241/.290/.345)

 

Agreed, but I threw that in there to say-if that's what other teams were thinking back in 2010 when they had very little reason to, what are they thinking after his 2011 where he has warning signs popping up in a lot of his numbers?

 

Then you keep him.

[CubColtPacer]

Zambrano in 2010 after he was "no more than a 5th starter:"

 

11 starts

70.1 IP

1.41 ERA

Opponent's slash line: .183/.304/.221 (A line he outperformed at the plate going .241/.290/.345)

 

Agreed, but I threw that in there to say-if that's what other teams were thinking back in 2010 when they had very little reason to, what are they thinking after his 2011 where he has warning signs popping up in a lot of his numbers?

 

Then you keep him.

 

Oh, definitely. I was discussing why teams might not be biting on him even at that level. But I wouldn't have offered to pay quite that much to give him up, and if teams aren't willing to pay even 20% of his contract you have to keep him.