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Freidman is still top of my list, but Theo is 1a. It would be so great to see the Cubs do the right thing for once.

 

Trading Garza or Castro for a GM is hilariously not the right thing to do.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Make a point and support it. The Cubs need someone to run the franchise. That person is much more important than any individual player.

 

I think he's saying trading Castro or Garza for Epstein would be dumb. And I agree with him.

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Brett Jackson is really a B or C grade prospect?

 

 

And weird that you saw him play at Montgomery and thought he was the real deal, because as far as I can tell, he couldn't hit a lick once he moved up to AA.

Yes, Brett Jackson is really a B prospect.

 

You can't tell very far.

 

What did you see?

 

Because I saw that Hak-Ju-Lee put up .190/.272/.310 for a .582 OPS at AA Montgomery (only 114 AB, but definitely a better sample than the handful of ABs you probably saw).

 

But you "saw him play" and he was the real deal.

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I'd much rather have Esptein's assistant plus Castro than Epstein minus Castro. Trading your biggest asset for a new GM is only going to make that GM's job that much more tough. GMs are important, but only in so much as they bring in the players. And Castro is the Cubs best asset.
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Trading Castro for Epstein is insanity that needn't even be addressed.

 

I'm more interested in how the guy who derisively talks about terms like "ceilings" and "potential" as "scout-speak" thinks that a guy who hit .190 at the level he saw him play at looked like the real deal.

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Trading Castro for Epstein is insanity that needn't even be addressed.

 

I'm more interested in how the guy who derisively talks about "ceilings" and "potential" as "scout-speak" thinks that a guy who hit .190 at the level he saw him play at looked like the real deal.

It's called sample size. His overall line for this year was sparkling for a 20 year old. He has above average plate discipline and good contact ability, his defense is acceptable to very good, and he has plus, plus speed.

 

I love Castro, but he's likely not to stick at SS, and if he has to move to 3rd his value goes down greatly.

 

Why do you think trading Castro for Epstein is so crazy? You must have a reason.

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Lee has a likely marginal bat with the potential to be the best def ss in the AL. I think he's more likely to hit at the btm than the top. Of course, TB is still trying to figure if Beckham is an everyday guy.
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Trading Castro for Epstein is insanity that needn't even be addressed.

 

I'm more interested in how the guy who derisively talks about "ceilings" and "potential" as "scout-speak" thinks that a guy who hit .190 at the level he saw him play at looked like the real deal.

It's called sample size. His overall line for this year was sparkling for a 20 year old. He has above average plate discipline and good contact ability, his defense is acceptable to very good, and he has plus, plus speed.

 

I love Castro, but he's likely not to stick at SS, and if he has to move to 3rd his value goes down greatly.

 

Why do you think trading Castro for Epstein is so crazy? You must have a reason.

 

Because star to superstar players have far more value than good GMs. Especially when there is more than one (or two) GM out there who would do a good job.

 

Starlin Castro is at the very least a star at the ripe old age of 21. He just *might* become a superstar if he continues to hit like he did in the latter half of this season.

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I don't understand the mindset that Castro has to move any time soon. It's not as though he's physically incapable of playing the position. He has every ability needed to do so. He just needs to stop doing dumb things and deciding to make ridiculous throws that even he has no business making. That can (not saying it necessarily will) be corrected.
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#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

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ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller

#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

 

MLB execs told him that? Tom Ricketts has told everybody that many times.

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#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

 

MLB execs told him that? Tom Ricketts has told everybody that many times.

 

I'm pretty sure that is how he introduces himself to people. "Hi, I am Tom Ricketts, owner of the Cubs and Red Sox obsesser"

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ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller

#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

 

MLB execs told him that? Tom Ricketts has told everybody that many times.

I'd be fine with Cherington too.

 

My fear (if you can call it that) is that Henry will make Theo the President and move Cherington into the GM spot.

 

Boy, you have to really wonder what is going on in Boston. Both Francona and Theo seemed pretty pissed about something other than the collapse.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm on the edge of my seat.

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I keep hearing jokes from Red Sox fans saying "ok you take Theo but you have to take Lackey as well ha ha ha ha ha".

 

What's funny is that, while the contract wouldn't be ideal, I wouldn't necessarily hate taking on Lackey that much. I think moving to the NL, a year removed from his personal issues could lead to a couple of decent seasons. That said, I'd certainly rather find a better cheaper pitcher, but if we were somehow forced to take Lackey for whatever reason, it wouldnt be as bad as when we had to take on Silva.

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ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller

#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

 

MLB execs told him that? Tom Ricketts has told everybody that many times.

I'd be fine with Cherington too.

 

My fear (if you can call it that) is that Henry will make Theo the President and move Cherington into the GM spot.

 

Boy, you have to really wonder what is going on in Boston. Both Francona and Theo seemed pretty pissed about something other than the collapse.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm on the edge of my seat.

 

I'm not too concerned that they would promote Theo and give Cherington the GM spot. For one, Luchino is pretty well entranched there as the president. Also, I would find it hard to think Theo wants to move into the overseer role of president with somebody else calling the GM shots under him.

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Huh, just checked out Lackey's contract. The Red Sox have a team option at 500K if he misses any "significant time" to elbow injury from 2010-2014. That's a fun little quirk.
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#Cubs Ricketts enamored with #RedSox, MLB exec tells me. If not Theo for GM, don't underestimate Sox aassis GM Ben Cherington for Cubs.

 

MLB execs told him that? Tom Ricketts has told everybody that many times.

I'd be fine with Cherington too.

 

My fear (if you can call it that) is that Henry will make Theo the President and move Cherington into the GM spot.

 

Boy, you have to really wonder what is going on in Boston. Both Francona and Theo seemed pretty pissed about something other than the collapse.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm on the edge of my seat.

 

I'm not too concerned that they would promote Theo and give Cherington the GM spot. For one, Luchino is pretty well entranched there as the president. Also, I would find it hard to think Theo wants to move into the overseer role of president with somebody else calling the GM shots under him.

 

Yeah - Peter Gammons' "co-CEO" suggestion seemed crazy from the moment he typed it.

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I know everybody loves Garza

 

Crazy, right? Everyone loves the 27-year-old pitcher with a 5.0 WAR and 2.95 FIP (for 2011) -- what are they thinking!?!

 

Meanwhile, while you're worrying about the Cubs' minor league shortstop depth behind a 21-year-old star shortstop, did you ever stop to think of what the Cubs' major league rotational depth would be without Garza? It wouldn't be pretty -- at all.

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I know everybody loves Garza

 

Crazy, right? Everyone loves the 27-year-old pitcher with a 5.0 WAR and 2.95 FIP (for 2011) -- what are they thinking!?!

 

Meanwhile, while you're worrying about the Cubs' minor league shortstop depth behind a 21-year-old star shortstop, did you ever stop to think of what the Cubs' major league rotational depth would be without Garza? It wouldn't be pretty -- at all.

Yes, I did, that's why I put it in the post.

 

Everybody includes me.

 

I'm just speculating on what the cost and benefits are to obtaining Epstein. I don't know what the asking price would be or how much is too much. I do think that the GM is the most important single person in a baseball franchise. I also think Castro is a great hitter, but not without flaws as a shortstop.

 

I'm sorry I peed in your corn flakes. I'll aim better next time.

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Crazy, right? Everyone loves the 27-year-old pitcher with a 5.0 WAR and 2.95 FIP (for 2011) -- what are they thinking!?!

 

Meanwhile, while you're worrying about the Cubs' minor league shortstop depth behind a 21-year-old star shortstop, did you ever stop to think of what the Cubs' major league rotational depth would be without Garza? It wouldn't be pretty -- at all.

 

I was a pretty big opponent of the Garza trade when we made it, simply because I felt like we were giving up too much young value for a pitcher who hadn't yet made the step up to elite status. Now I'm really glad we made that trade because Garza made that step this year and is one of the best pitchers in the majors now.

 

Lee is a really good prospect and I still like Archer's potential, but that was a good trade.

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I can't believe "Castro and/or Garza for Theo" is even being discussed semi-seriously here

Believe it.

 

The Devil Rays traded their best player at the time, (Randy Winn) for Lou. Manny Sanguillen who was a very good catcher was traded to the A's for Chuck Tanner.

 

I don't know that the Red Sox would ask for Castro or Garza, but I think it's worthy of being discussed. It sounds to me like most people would dislike it, that's fair enough. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

 

Who would be a good player(s) to trade for Theo?

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I know everybody loves Garza

 

Crazy, right? Everyone loves the 27-year-old pitcher with a 5.0 WAR and 2.95 FIP (for 2011) -- what are they thinking!?!

 

Meanwhile, while you're worrying about the Cubs' minor league shortstop depth behind a 21-year-old star shortstop, did you ever stop to think of what the Cubs' major league rotational depth would be without Garza? It wouldn't be pretty -- at all.

Yes, I did, that's why I put it in the post.

 

Everybody includes me.

 

I'm just speculating on what the cost and benefits are to obtaining Epstein. I don't know what the asking price would be or how much is too much. I do think that the GM is the most important single person in a baseball franchise. I also think Castro is a great hitter, but not without flaws as a shortstop.

 

I'm sorry I peed in your corn flakes. I'll aim better next time.

 

Derek Jeter had a lot of flaws as a shortstop throughout his career, didn't stop him from putting up a hall of fame career.

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