Tim Wilken

[SouthSideRyan]

(re: Cashner)

I would think that he would be in the pen when he does come back this season."

 

Flaherty playing all over the diamond suggests that he's not in the team's plans to be an everyday player; the difference between him and Guyer is uncertainty in roles, so Guyer's a better bet to get the AB to compile average WAR seasons

 

So it's your opinion that despite Flaherty and Guyer being similar hitters, and Flaherty having the ability to play multiple positions passably, that Guyer is the better bet to get more ABs because he only plays LF.

[SouthSideRyan]

But to answer your question, he's got less than 250 innings pitched in 3+ seasons of professional baseball. He's already been hurt without much of a workload. When working as a starter he's basically been a 4-5 inning guy. The Cubs themselves have already strongly hinted that when he returns it will be out of the bullpen. He's already going to be 25 before this season ends and he'll be lucky to work back up to a 100 inning workload by next season. By the time 2013 comes around, he'll have very little track record as a reliable starter.

 

So we're gonna ignore all context here that he was a closer in college being transitioned into a reliever. You really think it's a fair comparison to count inning totals for 3+ seasons (that being a month and a half after being drafted, a full season as a starter, 1/3 a season as a starter, 2/3 of a season as a starter, and 1 start as a starter)

 

This isn't the first time you've claimed he's a 4-5 inning pitcher as a starter. This still doesn't make it accurate. He was averaging just over 6 innings as a starter just last year before being moved to the pen.

[sneakypower]

So it's your opinion that despite Flaherty and Guyer being similar hitters, and Flaherty having the ability to play multiple positions passably, that Guyer is the better bet to get more ABs because he only plays LF.

correct, but it's a semantical quibble, my main point remains: Guyer or Flaherty is the likely most valuable MLB contributor we'll have produced from three years of drafts, which is abysmal

[jersey cubs fan]

But to answer your question, he's got less than 250 innings pitched in 3+ seasons of professional baseball. He's already been hurt without much of a workload. When working as a starter he's basically been a 4-5 inning guy. The Cubs themselves have already strongly hinted that when he returns it will be out of the bullpen. He's already going to be 25 before this season ends and he'll be lucky to work back up to a 100 inning workload by next season. By the time 2013 comes around, he'll have very little track record as a reliable starter.

 

So we're gonna ignore all context here that he was a closer in college being transitioned into a reliever. You really think it's a fair comparison to count inning totals for 3+ seasons (that being a month and a half after being drafted, a full season as a starter, 1/3 a season as a starter, 2/3 of a season as a starter, and 1 start as a starter)

 

This isn't the first time you've claimed he's a 4-5 inning pitcher as a starter. This still doesn't make it accurate. He was averaging just over 6 innings as a starter just last year before being moved to the pen.

 

I'm not ignoring any context. The fact that he had to transition from a reliever in college was, and remains, an obstacle. The fact that he's never shown an ability to be an effective starter over even a moderate amount of time is a problem. It was never a safe bet that he would successfully transition to starter in the first place, but now that he already had that cut short in 2010 due to perceived bullpen needs and in 2011 due to injury, and likely again in 2012 due to rehab, the obstacles are bigger than ever.

[Tryptamine]

When did this [expletive] start leaking into the minor league forums? I much preferred when it stayed on the Cubs general forums.

[jersey cubs fan]

When did this [expletive] start leaking into the minor league forums? I much preferred when it stayed on the Cubs general forums.

 

You don't like discussion of what Cubs players have done in their minor league career in the minor league forum?

[Tryptamine]

When did this [expletive] start leaking into the minor league forums? I much preferred when it stayed on the Cubs general forums.

 

You don't like discussion of what Cubs players have done in their minor league career in the minor league forum?

 

I have no problem with discussion and I rather enjoy a well supported discussion. I have a problem with being overly dramatic and pessimistic while spouting hearsay with no factual information to back it up. If I wanted that I'd go over to Cubs.com.

[Outshined_One]

Andrew Cashner was a reliever for only one season in college. Prior to transferring to TCU for his junior season, he was a starting pitcher.

[jersey cubs fan]

When did this [expletive] start leaking into the minor league forums? I much preferred when it stayed on the Cubs general forums.

 

You don't like discussion of what Cubs players have done in their minor league career in the minor league forum?

 

I have no problem with discussion and I rather enjoy a well supported discussion. I have a problem with being overly dramatic and pessimistic while spouting hearsay with no factual information to back it up. If I wanted that I'd go over to Cubs.com.

 

This post is overly dramatic with no factual information.

 

 

Pointing out very obvious obstacles is not pessimistic, it's realistic.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Andrew Cashner was a reliever for only one season in college. Prior to transferring to TCU for his junior season, he was a starting pitcher.

 

If/when Cashner comes back this season, it needs to be as a starter be it in Chicago or Iowa to keep him in a routine. Just keep him on a pitch count. We have plenty of guys who project to be solid relievers. We need starters.