2011 NBA Offseason

[bukie]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

 

Actually, yeah. That's why I think there was an uproar.

 

In a vacuum, the Paul trade arguably makes the Lakers worse. But if a Howard deal is contingent on it going down and the other owners believe that, they're gonna wanna kill the Paul deal.

 

If that is the case, they should kill the unfair Howard deal, not the Paul deal. Saying a deal should be killed because it will look better after they make another crazy lopsided deal is a little bass ackwards.

[ChiCubsFan]

And what the hell Dwight? You don't like Chicago, but New Jersey is cool with you? Screw you. I don't understand why none of the stars want to play in Chicago with Derrick Rose.

 

Maybe they want the chance to shoot the ball.

 

I'm very much looking forward to this NBA season.

[Guest]

Seems like this underscores the problem of having a hard cap in basketball. When 2-3 players can make the difference between bottom feeder and potential dynasty, and players can dictate their future teams because their future salaries are similar no matter what, then you end up with this stuff.

[SpongeWorthy]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

 

Actually, yeah. That's why I think there was an uproar.

 

In a vacuum, the Paul trade arguably makes the Lakers worse. But if a Howard deal is contingent on it going down and the other owners believe that, they're gonna wanna kill the Paul deal.

 

If that is the case, they should kill the unfair Howard deal, not the Paul deal. Saying a deal should be killed because it will look better after they make another crazy lopsided deal is a little bass ackwards.

 

The league doesn't own the Magic though. Stern can probably kill any deal at a whim, but for purposes of covering his ass, the NBA actually owning the Hornets empowered him, no?

[CubColtPacer]

Seems like this underscores the problem of having a hard cap in basketball. When 2-3 players can make the difference between bottom feeder and potential dynasty, and players can dictate their future teams because their future salaries are similar no matter what, then you end up with this stuff.

 

Seems like a hard cap+lack of max offer would do the trick here. Then you'd have teams with very different strategies-some willing to pay 50% of their cap to one guy while others spread it out. The superstars would have to turn down a lot of money to team up to any large degree. Free agent compensation might also help matters so a team isn't faced with getting nothing if they don't take whatever low ball offer that is out there.

[UMFan83]

Apparent D12 met with the Russian dude prokerov and Nets GM Billy King yesterday in Miami, a blatent violation of tampering rules.

 

The Magic are considering tampering charges against the Nets and for some reason, the Rockets.

 

The NBA is officially out of control. They should just ban Paul and Howard for life and be with it.

[El Duderino]

can you tamper when the CBA wasn't actually signed yet?

[SpongeWorthy]

So it looks like Dwight took a secret meeting with Prokhorov and Billy King without the Magic knowing. The Nets should get reamed for that.

 

Edit: This is why you don't keep a reply tab open for long.

[UMFan83]

So it looks like Dwight took a secret meeting with Prokhorov and Billy King without the Magic knowing. The Nets should get reamed for that.

 

Edit: This is why you don't keep a reply tab open for long.

 

Bye bye Deron!

[SpongeWorthy]

We just need more accidents and controversies to keep popping up and D12 will have to come to the Bulls.

[imb]

Apparent D12 met with the Russian dude prokerov and Nets GM Billy King yesterday in Miami, a blatent violation of tampering rules.

 

The Magic are considering tampering charges against the Nets and for some reason, the Rockets.

 

The NBA is officially out of control. They should just ban Paul and Howard for life and be with it.

 

god must have told him it was ok to do that. if god is with him, no stern can be against him

[Banedon]

C_Ramsay: David Stern on Chris Paul trade veto: "The team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by that trade."

 

Biggest liar that ever lied.

[CubInOK]

can you tamper when the CBA wasn't actually signed yet?

It's breaking the lockout. I'd be pretty pissed at those 2 if I was an owner, perhaps more pissed than I would be at Stern.

[DivineBovine]

Seems like this underscores the problem of having a hard cap in basketball. When 2-3 players can make the difference between bottom feeder and potential dynasty, and players can dictate their future teams because their future salaries are similar no matter what, then you end up with this stuff.

 

Seems like a hard cap+lack of max offer would do the trick here. Then you'd have teams with very different strategies-some willing to pay 50% of their cap to one guy while others spread it out. The superstars would have to turn down a lot of money to team up to any large degree. Free agent compensation might also help matters so a team isn't faced with getting nothing if they don't take whatever low ball offer that is out there.

 

 

Who needs the hard cap even? Just getting rid of the max will do the trick. If LeBron and Dwight Howard and going to have to take the same money as Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson, then of course they are going to want to choose where they go and make demands like this. If a team has to pay $30 million for LeBron or Howard, then there's more of a decision.

 

Ironically, the max deal actually kills the small market teams and their competitiveness.

[17 Seconds]

brandon roy retiring makes me kind of sad for some reason.

[17 Seconds]

looks like chris paul to the clippers.

 

cp3, blake, and gordon?

[UMFan83]

looks like chris paul to the clippers.

 

cp3, blake, and gordon?

 

Gonna be a fun team to watch. I always cheer for them to do well. I would love for them to take some of the LA luster from the Lakers.

 

I know they've been quite poorly run over the years but it definitely confuses me why only just recently have they been a viable place for FAs to go to. They play in LA, they play at Staples, and there is a lot less pressure to be the next Magic/Kobe/Kareem.

[tfarks]

Last rumor I saw had Gordon in the deal.

 

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_SI 4 mins Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

ESPN story, time-stamped 3 mins ago, says LAC deal is submitted to league and includes Gordon, not Bledsoe: tinyurl.com/clo9zxs

 

From the Clips perspective though I have to assume they don't want to deal him away.

 

Not nearly as good as more CP3 talk. But I like the Pacers deal for David West. 2 years 20 mil is a very reasonable contract and lets Hansbro come off the bench.

[tfarks]

And supposedly they revisited the McBob for Mayo deal and got it done.

 

The Indiana Pacers have had their sights set on Memphis Grizzlies guard OJ Mayo for some time, and today they have finally found a way to get him. The Pacers have agreed to sign and trade Josh McRoberts along with Brandon Rush to the Grizzlies for Mayo.

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/indiana-pacers-trade-oj-mayo/

[SpongeWorthy]

So what's Indiana's rotation now?

[tfarks]

It's deep and there's some roles not yet well defined.

 

PG - Darren Collision, AJ Price, Lance Stephenson

SG - Paul George, George Hill, OJ Mayo

SF - Danny Granger, Dahntay Jones

PF - David West, Tyler Hansbrough, Jeff Pendergraph

C - Roy Hibbert, Jeff Foster

 

Mayo was targeted because George Hill will get some minutes at PG and Paul George will also back up some at SF. The starter at SG is definitely up in the air.

 

Of course this depends on that source, and if Mayo is coming. But there's been a lot of smoke the last few days so I think it gets done eventually. Either way, the Pacers are turning themselves into a legitimate contender.

[CubColtPacer]

It doesn't sound like the Mayo trade is done yet. But if it gets done, that will make Indiana just a little bit deeper. Bird has wanted the best bench in the league and with Mayo he'll be pretty close to have gotten just that. That will work well with the compressed schedule during the regular season, but it's not a model that has worked all that well in the playoffs.

[SpongeWorthy]

George is more of an SF, IMO. I'd start Mayo and let George back up him and Granger. Let Hill be Collison's primary backup or push him for the starter's job.

[tfarks]

I don't know how effective Hill will be at PG. No concerns defensively. Which would make him great backing up the position and sometimes closing out. I think Hill is underrated as a scorer due to the role he played in SA. But passing the ball isn't a strength of his.

 

A deep team with no superstars reminds me of the 2000 Finals team in its construction. Maybe EG will get shipped to NO in the CP3 deal and they won't match the Pacers max deal offer next offseason.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the Nets owner is going to run against Putin in the next elections. How weird is that?