Prospects who were never Cubs

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

It's perfectly ordinary for elite college pitchers to get smacked around in A-ball just because the hitters knew a fastball was coming. :roll:

 

If it were that easy to hit elite pitchers because you guessed what was coming, elite pitchers would get hit a lot more than they do.

they're not guessing if he's tipping his pitches.

 

I get that. But if they can smack him around 100% of the time with tipping, then they should be able to smack him around most of the time with guessing, right?

 

how is guessing even close to tipping?

[davell]

ahahah babby got his feelings hurt

 

What's been up with you lately? You're starting to make another turn toward cranky.

 

Well [expletive], we all did just watch a dude get his eyeballs gauged out, followed by an exploding head. I'm giving everyone a pass for a few days.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

how is guessing even close to tipping?

 

In both situations, the batter intentionally plans his swing around a certain type of pitch rather than waiting until the pitch is in the air to try to read it.

[jersey cubs fan]

how is guessing even close to tipping?

 

In both situations, the batter intentionally plans his swing around a certain type of pitch rather than waiting until the pitch is in the air to try to read it.

 

But with the latter he has much more confidence of what is actually coming.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But with the latter he has much more confidence of what is actually coming.

 

So as long as you *really* believe that your guess is right, it works?

 

Come on. Merely knowing what pitch is coming is not some voodoo magic that turns elite pitchers into scrubs.

 

Appel's coaches are making excuses for him. That's what minor league coaches do.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

so basically, if a truly elite pitcher went through a season tipping his pitches, he'd be just fine.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

so basically, if a truly elite pitcher went through a season tipping his pitches, he'd be just fine.

 

He'd probably put up an ERA on the good side of 67.50

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

this has nothing to do with appel anymore

[Hairyducked Idiot]

this has nothing to do with appel anymore

 

OK?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

ok then. any pitcher tipping his pitches consistently is going to suck. period.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

ok then. any pitcher tipping his pitches consistently is going to suck. period.

 

10 runs in 1 1/3 IP levels of suck?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

yeah, 10 runs every inning, I totally said that.

[imb]

ahahah babby got his feelings hurt

 

What's been up with you lately? You're starting to make another turn toward cranky.

 

when has my mood ever stopped me from making fun of you for being a dumb baby

[Guest]

so basically, if a truly elite pitcher went through a season tipping his pitches, he'd be just fine.

Against A+ hitters? Don't know about "just fine" but better than Appel has shown.

[Guest]

But with the latter he has much more confidence of what is actually coming.

 

So as long as you *really* believe that your guess is right, it works?

 

You've played baseball before, right? It's a huge difference to be able to have a great idea of what pitch is coming, that's half the point of working a hitter's count so you can be more assured that you're getting a fastball. Sure it's a guess, but when it works and then several of your teammates come back with the same story, your confidence in that tell will only increase.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

when has my mood ever stopped me from making fun of you for being a dumb baby

 

You kind of fade in and out in terms of frequency and abrasiveness. Generally when people act like this, it means they are upset about something else. Usually you only step in when it's actually funny. When it turns toward less witty and more aggressive, I assume something's bothering you.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You've played baseball before, right?

 

I sincerely apologize for whatever gave you that incredibly erroneous impression.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

yeah, 10 runs every inning, I totally said that.

 

Appel gave up 10 runs in 1 1/3 inning. Some tried to blame it on tipping pitches. Almost everyone has had the reaction that tipping pitches is bad, but it doesn't explain *that* level of badness or a pitcher who was supposed to be far, far beyond this level on raw ability alone. You seem to be disagreeing.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I never said tipping pitches completely justified giving up 10 runs in an inning, but it certainly could have contributed to it.

[imb]

when has my mood ever stopped me from making fun of you for being a dumb baby

 

You kind of fade in and out in terms of frequency and abrasiveness. Generally when people act like this, it means they are upset about something else. Usually you only step in when it's actually funny. When it turns toward less witty and more aggressive, I assume something's bothering you.

 

Life is great. My wife hasn't even abandoned me.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Life is great. My wife hasn't even abandoned me.

 

Glad I was wrong, then.

[XZero771679666304]

Tipping pitches isn't going to turn an elite pitcher into a batting practice pitcher, but knowing what type of pitch is coming is a massive boon to a hitter. There are very, very few pitchers that I can think of who succeeded even when hitters knew what was coming (Mariano Rivera is the only one coming to mind right now, actually).

 

If a pitcher is consistently tipping, they're surrendering one their biggest advantages.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I never said tipping pitches completely justified giving up 10 runs in an inning, but it certainly could have contributed to it.

 

Everybody agrees with this.

[sneakypower]

ahahah babby got his feelings hurt

 

What's been up with you lately? You're starting to make another turn toward cranky.

 

when has my mood ever stopped me from making fun of you for being a dumb baby

i think i know what it is, you must be on the rag

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I never said tipping pitches completely justified giving up 10 runs in an inning, but it certainly could have contributed to it.

 

Everybody agrees with this.

then what the hell are we even arguing about?