If the Cubs were sellers right now

[EhDubya]

Why would I trade Darwin Barney? Those calls kind of stop quickly. It makes no sense.

 

Oh. My. God.

[tfarks]

Why would I trade Darwin Barney? Those calls kind of stop quickly. It makes no sense.

 

Oh. My. God.

 

Haha.

 

Really though no one is gonna give up anything for Barney so might as well keep the cheap reserve infielder. Of course if he's not even listening that's a different story.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why would I trade Darwin Barney? Those calls kind of stop quickly. It makes no sense.

 

Oh. My. God.

 

Haha.

 

Really though no one is gonna give up anything for Barney so might as well keep the cheap reserve infielder. Of course if he's not even listening that's a different story.

 

Yeah, it's like Hendry is right in spite of himself in that regard. He's playing up to the meatballs (and the meatball scout side of himself) by talking up Barney, but in reality nobody is going to give anything of value for a trade involving Barney unless he's a toss-in with much, much better players.

[Guest]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

[jersey cubs fan]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

Why do people keep pretending there is all this disdain out there for Barney?

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, there was.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Theres no disdain for Barney out there. While I dont think theres any reason to rush him out of town, if other teams have interest, theres no reason not to hear them out. Hes a nice player to have for cheap, if nothing else as a utility MI, but theres no reason for him to be untouchable.

[Little Slide Rooter]

An August trade appears possible for Ramirez, based on his agent's comments yesterday to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Paul Kinzer said that when his client's children return to the Dominican Republic in August for the start of school, "that could possibly loosen up" Ramirez's stance. Ramirez's $16MM option for 2012 technically becomes guaranteed upon a trade, but Kinzer said his client would want the option dropped. The agent does not feel the request would pose a problem for most teams.

 

There's also left fielder Alfonso Soriano, whose contract pays $18MM a year through 2014 and makes him virtually immovable. Talking to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, Soriano wasn't even aware he has a no-trade clause. But he did say he'd waive it to go to a contender.

 

They later added this part. I got a kick out of the bolded. So was Hendry just sneaking those things in back then?

[Guest]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

Why do people keep pretending there is all this disdain out there for Barney?

 

I'm not saying even the casual fan hates him, but there's been plenty of references to Theriot when discussing Barney, and they aren't positive ones.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

Why do people keep pretending there is all this disdain out there for Barney?

 

I'm not saying even the casual fan hates him, but there's been plenty of references to Theriot when discussing Barney, and they aren't positive ones.

 

Nobody had any problem with Theriot when he first came on the scene. He was pretty popular until the powers that be decided to make him something that he wasnt and then he started running his mouth.

[MSG T]

An August trade appears possible for Ramirez, based on his agent's comments yesterday to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Paul Kinzer said that when his client's children return to the Dominican Republic in August for the start of school, "that could possibly loosen up" Ramirez's stance. Ramirez's $16MM option for 2012 technically becomes guaranteed upon a trade, but Kinzer said his client would want the option dropped. The agent does not feel the request would pose a problem for most teams.

 

There's also left fielder Alfonso Soriano, whose contract pays $18MM a year through 2014 and makes him virtually immovable. Talking to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, Soriano wasn't even aware he has a no-trade clause. But he did say he'd waive it to go to a contender.

 

They later added this part. I got a kick out of the bolded. So was Hendry just sneaking those things in back then?

 

 

Thanks for spilling the beans, Wittenmeyer, you jackass.

[MSG T]

I can picture the conversation.

 

Wittenmeyer - So Fonzie, what do you think of the chances the Cubs trade you.

 

Fonzie - I just paid to play, if I traded, I put the same effort in for my new team.

 

Wittenmeyer - So you'd waive your No Trade Clause?

 

Fonzie - My what? I have a what? (mumbles something) Uh, yeah, I probably waive it to go to a contender

 

 

Fonzie (on cell phone to agent in spanish) - I have a no trade clause? That mean I pick where I go? When the hell did that happen? Who put that in and didn't tell me?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Flashback to Novemember, 2006

 

Jim Hendry: So um, Fonzie, would you like me to throw in a no trade clause as well, just for the hell of it?

 

Fonzie(swiming in his new money pool ALA Scrooge McDuck): yeah, sure whatever

 

Hendry: done and done!

[ScrubMD]

Can we get a sticky for Hendry/Soriano scripts? They're so whatever the antonym for redundant is.

[jersey cubs fan]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

Why do people keep pretending there is all this disdain out there for Barney?

 

I'm not saying even the casual fan hates him, but there's been plenty of references to Theriot when discussing Barney, and they aren't positive ones.

 

There's references, but not claims of equality nor disdain.

[Guancous]

Wait, the Cubs actually lost additional leverage in dealing Soriano?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Braves May Be Nearing Deal For Bat

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 20 at 3:36pm CST]

The Braves may be nearing a deal for a right-handed hitter, according to David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). Though it's not clear which hitter may be headed to Atlanta, Josh Willingham, Ryan Ludwick, Hunter Pence, Jeff Francoeur, Reed Johnson, Jeff Baker, Ryan Spilborghs and Michael Cuddyer are among the potentially available players who hit from the right side

 

Just thought Id post this as apparently, Reed and Baker are possibilities to be headed to Atlanta, although theyve already said they wont trade Baker,

[Tyrant]

I can picture the conversation.

 

Wittenmeyer - So Fonzie, what do you think of the chances the Cubs trade you.

 

Fonzie - I just paid to play, if I traded, I put the same effort in for my new team.

 

Wittenmeyer - So you'd waive your No Trade Clause?

 

Fonzie - My what? I have a what? (mumbles something) Uh, yeah, I probably waive it to go to a contender

 

 

Fonzie (on cell phone to agent in spanish) - I have a no trade clause? That mean I pick where I go? When the hell did that happen? Who put that in and didn't tell me?

 

Is Soriano a caveman or something here?

[MSG T]

I can picture the conversation.

 

Wittenmeyer - So Fonzie, what do you think of the chances the Cubs trade you.

 

Fonzie - I just paid to play, if I traded, I put the same effort in for my new team.

 

Wittenmeyer - So you'd waive your No Trade Clause?

 

Fonzie - My what? I have a what? (mumbles something) Uh, yeah, I probably waive it to go to a contender

 

 

Fonzie (on cell phone to agent in spanish) - I have a no trade clause? That mean I pick where I go? When the hell did that happen? Who put that in and didn't tell me?

 

Is Soriano a caveman or something here?

 

Yes, haven't you seen him on all those commercials.

 

Not real easy to suggest a hispanic accent without actually typing in spanish. Or getting completely offensive.

[TruffleShuffle]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

between 2006 and 2009 - the time that some people were ok with theriot - fangraphs had him as a 2.28 win player during those four years. baseball-reference says he was only a 1.43 win player on average, but then again b-r says that barney is only on a 1.5 win pace this year. so really, even though they've got different profiles because barney is a plus defender and theriot had more on base ability, their pre-arbitration years value appears to be roughly equal.

[champaignchris]

Doesn't Soriano have a 5 and 10 right to refuse a trade regardless of what his contract says?

 

Ditto Ram, Z, and Dempster.

 

Seems like a lot of people slam Hendry for NTCs when those players could nix a trade anyway under the CBA.

[Shilzzz]

soriano wouldn't have those rights -- if he does -- if he weren't signed to that deal.

 

ditto everyone else you named

 

thus hendry should still be slammed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Doesn't Soriano have a 5 and 10 right to refuse a trade regardless of what his contract says?

 

Ditto Ram, Z, and Dempster.

 

Seems like a lot of people slam Hendry for NTCs when those players could nix a trade anyway under the CBA.

 

Soriano has 4.5 years on the Cubs and 5.5 in the National League, so I don't think he'd have 5 and 10 rights. The rest of them would, of course.

[Guest]

Barney's playing at a 2-3 win pace this year, is under team control for 5 more years, and plays good defense at both middle infield positions, making him an option at either. It's not a bad thing to value him. He's not Ryan Theriot. Ryan Theriot couldn't throw the ball the length of the kitchen table and ran into lots of outs on the bases. Just because they play middle infield and have a similar offensive profile doesn't make them worthy of the same disdain.

 

between 2006 and 2009 - the time that some people were ok with theriot - fangraphs had him as a 2.28 win player during those four years. baseball-reference says he was only a 1.43 win player on average, but then again b-r says that barney is only on a 1.5 win pace this year. so really, even though they've got different profiles because barney is a plus defender and theriot had more on base ability, their pre-arbitration years value appears to be roughly equal.

 

Right, the idea isn’t that Barney is better than Theriot(although he should be more consistent since his value isn’t 99% dependent on BABIP), but that the reasons people hated Theriot don’t really apply to Barney.

[NCCubFan]

Doesn't Soriano have a 5 and 10 right to refuse a trade regardless of what his contract says?

 

Ditto Ram, Z, and Dempster.

 

Seems like a lot of people slam Hendry for NTCs when those players could nix a trade anyway under the CBA.

 

Soriano has 4.5 years on the Cubs and 5.5 in the National League, so I don't think he'd have 5 and 10 rights. The rest of them would, of course.

He'd have those rights once this season ends, but not before then.