College Basketball 2011-2012

[Formerly Snayke]

Levin T. Black on twitter:

 

"Dear SSR and other NSBB Illini fans...suck it."

 

I like the back-and-forth with Wes Welker more than this.

[SouthSideRyan]

I went to check his twitter so I could troll it. It's about the most boring thing I've ever read. It wouldn't even be fun. I guess I'll just wait til the 49ers get eliminated.

[hawkeyecub]

Mack is from Cincy and is a Xavier grad. He has a consistent top 20ish program. I don't know that he would leave for Illinois.

 

i bet he would. there aren't going to be any openings at any top programs anytime soon and xavier is not a destination job. illinois is a big ten program that gets plenty of publicity, regularly gets top 100 recruits of the 4-star variety, and is getting a renovation job on the assembly hall.

 

furthermore, mike thomas is from cincinnati and i'm sure knows mack well.

 

the last 2 coaches left for illinois-type programs, also. as far as the alumni thing, i don't see that as that big of a factor when we're talking xavier. it didn't stop lickliter (butler being a very comparable school to xavier) from going to iowa, and iowa ain't illinois.

 

illinois is still seen as a very good job, no matter how much iowa folks would like to deny it.

 

First of all, I never said he wouldn't, I just think there's a decent chance he wouldn't. Secondly, I've never denied that Illinois is a very good job.

 

Xavier is a much better program than Butler was when Lickliter left and Mack is making way more than Lickliter was. He hadn't made the tournament the 3 years prior to his final season at Butler.

[illiniguy]

I really don't care who coaches us as long as it isn't Bruce Weber.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Mack is from Cincy and is a Xavier grad. He has a consistent top 20ish program. I don't know that he would leave for Illinois.

 

i bet he would. there aren't going to be any openings at any top programs anytime soon and xavier is not a destination job. illinois is a big ten program that gets plenty of publicity, regularly gets top 100 recruits of the 4-star variety, and is getting a renovation job on the assembly hall.

 

furthermore, mike thomas is from cincinnati and i'm sure knows mack well.

 

the last 2 coaches left for illinois-type programs, also. as far as the alumni thing, i don't see that as that big of a factor when we're talking xavier. it didn't stop lickliter (butler being a very comparable school to xavier) from going to iowa, and iowa ain't illinois.

 

illinois is still seen as a very good job, no matter how much iowa folks would like to deny it.

 

OSU and Arizona are not Illinois type programs. If you believe that, you're living in la la land. I certainly think Illinois has to look at making a change, but there needs to be some level of confidence we don't end up with Bruce Weber 2.0 as a result of that change. A bad hire here sets the program back to Iowa levels. If Weber retains his job, we need a staff shakeup. Usher Wayne into retirement but keep him on the payroll in some sort of basketball ops role, and then hire Robert Smith our of Simeon to fill the void.

[illiniguy]

Mack is from Cincy and is a Xavier grad. He has a consistent top 20ish program. I don't know that he would leave for Illinois.

 

i bet he would. there aren't going to be any openings at any top programs anytime soon and xavier is not a destination job. illinois is a big ten program that gets plenty of publicity, regularly gets top 100 recruits of the 4-star variety, and is getting a renovation job on the assembly hall.

 

furthermore, mike thomas is from cincinnati and i'm sure knows mack well.

 

the last 2 coaches left for illinois-type programs, also. as far as the alumni thing, i don't see that as that big of a factor when we're talking xavier. it didn't stop lickliter (butler being a very comparable school to xavier) from going to iowa, and iowa ain't illinois.

 

illinois is still seen as a very good job, no matter how much iowa folks would like to deny it.

 

OSU and Arizona are not Illinois type programs. If you believe that, you're living in la la land. I certainly think Illinois has to look at making a change, but there needs to be some level of confidence we don't end up with Bruce Weber 2.0 as a result of that change. A bad hire here sets the program back to Iowa levels. If Weber retains his job, we need a staff shakeup. Usher Wayne into retirement but keep him on the payroll in some sort of basketball ops role, and then hire Robert Smith our of Simeon to fill the void.

Robert Smith cannot be a coach for us. He doesn't have a college degree.

[mul21]

Robert Smith cannot be a coach for us. He doesn't have a college degree.

 

What? How can he be the head coach in an IHSA sanctioned program without a degree and teaching certificate? We had a coach who was the "head coach" in reality, but had to have a certified teach listed as the head coach for it to be legal per the IHSA. Unless that rule has changed, something doesn't jive here.

[illiniguy]

Robert Smith cannot be a coach for us. He doesn't have a college degree.

 

What? How can he be the head coach in an IHSA sanctioned program without a degree and teaching certificate? We had a coach who was the "head coach" in reality, but had to have a certified teach listed as the head coach for it to be legal per the IHSA. Unless that rule has changed, something doesn't jive here.

From what they claim on the scout board you do not have to have of that to coach in the CPL.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Smith was up for Jerrance's spot. Then CPL coaches claimed that it was a slap in Chicago's face that he or someone like Ty Slaughter didn't get the job.

[illiniguy]

Smith was up for Jerrance's spot. Then CPL coaches claimed that it was a slap in Chicago's face that he or someone like Ty Slaughter didn't get the job.

Was he? I remember the Chicago papers touting that he was, but all the articles I read about it always never had a source from Illinois talking about it. I could be wrong, but both the IB and scout claim that he has no college degree and thus cannot work for the UI.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Smith was up for Jerrance's spot. Then CPL coaches claimed that it was a slap in Chicago's face that he or someone like Ty Slaughter didn't get the job.

Was he? I remember the Chicago papers touting that he was, but all the articles I read about it always never had a source from Illinois talking about it. I could be wrong, but both the IB and scout claim that he has no college degree and thus cannot work for the UI.

 

You may be right about the Chicago papers vs. the University source. I just remember Chicago being all pissy when Jerrance got the job.

[illiniguy]

Smith was up for Jerrance's spot. Then CPL coaches claimed that it was a slap in Chicago's face that he or someone like Ty Slaughter didn't get the job.

Was he? I remember the Chicago papers touting that he was, but all the articles I read about it always never had a source from Illinois talking about it. I could be wrong, but both the IB and scout claim that he has no college degree and thus cannot work for the UI.

 

You may be right about the Chicago papers vs. the University source. I just remember Chicago being all pissy when Jerrance got the job.

Yeah I remember that as well. Luckily they got over it. Or so it seems as we have recruited better in Chicago since Jerrance came on board.

[Formerly Snayke]

Any chance Missouri can win on Saturday in the Octagon of Doom? I'm not feeling good about it.

[Flames24Rulz]

Wisconsin fans must despise the game clock after the last two days.

[woodchip2153]

Wisconsin fans must despise the game clock after the last two days.

 

what a crazy ending.

[Exile on Waveland]

Crazy.

 

With their second straight home loss -- though this one to the second-best team in the Big Ten -- any chance Wisconsin drops from their God-given perch atop Pomeroy (which even Pomeroy himself mocks)?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Any chance Missouri can win on Saturday in the Octagon of Doom? I'm not feeling good about it.

 

I'm not entirely confident, but a win there gets me to start believing that we might actually be able to win the Big 12.

 

This game tonight is fun.

[bukie]

Crazy.

 

With their second straight home loss -- though this one to the second-best team in the Big Ten -- any chance Wisconsin drops from their God-given perch atop Pomeroy (which even Pomeroy himself mocks)?

Probably not, their non conference blowouts are really going to keep them propped up for most of the year unless they really tank.

[Exile on Waveland]

Crazy.

 

With their second straight home loss -- though this one to the second-best team in the Big Ten -- any chance Wisconsin drops from their God-given perch atop Pomeroy (which even Pomeroy himself mocks)?

Probably not, their non conference blowouts are really going to keep them propped up for most of the year unless they really tank.

 

Seriously? Yeesh.

[hawkeyecub]

They dropped to #2!

 

It really exposes a flaw in the system in my opinion though. Pomeroy has admitted in the past that a weakness with the current form of his rankings is how teams can shoot up by destroying horrible teams rather than just beating them soundly. It seems like there should be some kind of adjustment with weighting.

[Exile on Waveland]

They dropped to #2!

 

It really exposes a flaw in the system in my opinion though. Pomeroy has admitted in the past that a weakness with the current form of his rankings is how teams can shoot up by destroying horrible teams rather than just beating them soundly. It seems like there should be some kind of adjustment with weighting.

 

And before yesterday's game, Michigan State was No. 9 in Pomeroy. They won, on the road, against the No. 1 team. Today? Michigan State drops to No. 10. This may be overly-simplistic . . . but still.

[Magnetic Curses]

Mack is from Cincy and is a Xavier grad. He has a consistent top 20ish program. I don't know that he would leave for Illinois.

 

i bet he would. there aren't going to be any openings at any top programs anytime soon and xavier is not a destination job. illinois is a big ten program that gets plenty of publicity, regularly gets top 100 recruits of the 4-star variety, and is getting a renovation job on the assembly hall.

 

furthermore, mike thomas is from cincinnati and i'm sure knows mack well.

 

the last 2 coaches left for illinois-type programs, also. as far as the alumni thing, i don't see that as that big of a factor when we're talking xavier. it didn't stop lickliter (butler being a very comparable school to xavier) from going to iowa, and iowa ain't illinois.

 

illinois is still seen as a very good job, no matter how much iowa folks would like to deny it.

 

OSU and Arizona are not Illinois type programs. If you believe that, you're living in la la land.

 

when they hired them they most certainly were.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Arizona is historically the second best program on the West Coast, and has arguably been THE Pac 10 program since Wooden's run. They have 5 Final Fours since 1988, and have only missed the tournament once since 1985.

 

OSU has/had incredible amounts of money to pour into their basketball program which poured over from football and can never be matched at Illinois. This money flows from football and goes towards a new arena, better coaches, bigger recruiting budgets, and in turn has led to tremendous on court success similar to other super-schools Florida and Texas.

[Magnetic Curses]

Arizona is historically the second best program on the West Coast, and has arguably been THE Pac 10 program since Wooden's run. They have 5 Final Fours since 1988, and have only missed the tournament once since 1985.

 

they were down, kevin o'neill was running that program, which miller just almost left for perennial basketball power.....maryland.

Edited January 4, 2012 by Stannis

[Guest]

Mack would be a very good hire, he was far and away my preference when Mizzou was looking for a new coach. I'm not sure how much they or any other school pursued him, but all of the news related to Mack gives off the vibe that he's more Mark Few than Todd Lickliter.